ELON MUSK

[Barney]

Later .... im busy making a sherry trifle which takes precedence over a president.

Link as requested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fbqy_OObXQ
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Thanks DM

You have bought back memories from a great influence on my life.
While I doubt Elon drinks Sherry, I'm sure he would love a sherry trifle.
My former mother-in-law prepared and served a great sherry trifle; her masterpiece was always on the table for very special occasions like my birthday etc.

She was of very strong British stock, serving in the WREN forces around the war, and at every chance always belittling the Welsh and also Catholics and the way they followed the labor party in Australia and of course her strict afternoon tradition of a Sherry tipple with a hint, just a hint, of soda, it was her compulsory afternoon action at 4pm, never before but always very close afterwards.
She trained her 3 daughters, one of which according to her was very lucky to marry myself, in the art of homemade sherry trifle.
If I could get the recipe, I'd be happy to pass it on, so you don't have to rely on youtube.
Your youtube sourced recipe most likely has less sherry than she would pour. No measuring cups required.
I'm certain she only made the trifles so she could make and excuse to walk up the shops to get new bottle of dry Sherry.
Miss my favorite Pom Audrey. Doubt she would allow any time for conversations about Elon.

[glalt]

US politicians are quite comfortable with business as usual and they will fight to keep their obscene profits. Musk had great ideas but he never considered that even the courts would turn against him. He is now convinced that eliminating wasteful spending steps on too many toes. Trump can only chip away little by little to control the corruption. Even some citizens fight to keep business as usual knowing that some of their benefits may be cut.

[Kenr6583]

Welcome to a Republic and not an absolute monarchy.

[tamada]

When the world's richest man and successful businessman critiques your performance as a self-proclaimed "successful businessman".

Musk brands Trump’s flagship bill ‘a disgusting abomination’

Tech billionaire says president’s ‘big beautiful bill’ will labour country with ‘crushingly unsustainable debt’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics ... tion-musk/

[AlexO]

Welcome to a Republic and not an absolute monarchy.

What's the difference in the USA under The Trump.
Please provide an example from any Western Democracy except the US under The Trump.

[anefarious1]

US politicians are quite comfortable with business as usual and they will fight to keep their obscene profits. Musk had great ideas but he never considered that even the courts would turn against him. He is now convinced that eliminating wasteful spending steps on too many toes. Trump can only chip away little by little to control the corruption. Even some citizens fight to keep business as usual knowing that some of their benefits may be cut.

Thinks the conman is chipping away at corruption. You are almost as entertaining as the cult leader himself!

G L A L T = Gullible, Led Astray, Ludicrously Trusting

[tamada]

Huge dummy spit in progress... stay tuned.

Kremlin orders popcorn.

[jackspratt]

Common sense - I use the phrase in relative terms in this case - and even more so, self-interest will prevail, and the 2 dirtbags will have kissed and made up (publicly at least) by the end of the weekend.

[Kenr6583]

Welcome to a Republic and not an absolute monarchy.

What's the difference in the USA under The Trump.
Please provide an example from any Western Democracy except the US under The Trump.

Well that would be pretty time consuming, so because this thread is about Musk, I will stick with what Trump/Musk/DOGE has done differently and try to keep it as brief as possible. And I can only go back as far as Reagan, because that is all I have first hand knowledge of.

Starting off, back in the 1990's the U.S. government implemented a RIF, just as the current administration has done. During the 90's, the government reduced the number of Federal workforce by over 370,000 employees. By the time that administration was done in 2001, it had reduced the workforce by over 420,000. Now it didn't have all the fanfare or drama as the current RIF, you know, it didn't have someone like Musk running around onstage with a chainsaw, it didn't have Trump/Musk/DOGE telling these fired employees how worthless they were, it was done methodically with respect and within the procedures and laws that are set forth. The only thing done within procedure and law by Trump/Musk/DOGE in this case was implementing the RIF through an executive order, but everything done after that has been one screw up after another, thus all the lawsuits.

Trump/Musk/DOGE has withheld large amounts of monies that were already earmarked by Congress. They cannot lawfully do that on their own, which they have found out. They found no fraud, they found no corruption, they only found monies that they considered to be waste. Only Congress can rescind those monies.

Trump/Musk/DOGE believe they can eliminate agencies that were created by Congress. They are wrong. See above paragraph.

These are just three (3) that stick out as different. Now, even if one agrees with what Trump/Musk/DOGE are doing, they still have to follow the Constitution and the laws set forth in doing it.

The U.S. is a Constitutional Federal Republic, and it is set up that there are three (3) branches of the government that share the power, all equal. Trump wants to rule, not govern, with impunity. and that has proven with his repeated threats and intimidation tactics towards GOP members in Congress that go against any of his policies or anything he does. He uses these same tactics on judges who rule against him, even those that were appointed by hime. Those are clear attributes of a wannabe monarch, a wannabe dictator.

When it's all said and done with I'm sure it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide all these issues. But the current POTUS had made it clear that he has no problem in defying a courts ruling, as he has already done a few times with no repercussions. So maybe he does hold all the power and will be able to do whatever he wants.

Now on to the second part on what you would like me to respond to. To be honest with you, I'm not quite sure what you are asking me to comment on as far as an example of any Western democracy. But even if I did understand that I probably still would not be able to respond because I don't have a clue on other Western countries governments inner workings or how they are supposed to function. I don't really follow other countries politics enough to understand on how they are supposed to function.

[Kenr6583]

Well, another SpaceX Starship blew up, this time it didn't even leave the launch pad. Getting better.

[Kenr6583]

Tesla Robotaxi?”? Elon is so far behind the curve it’s almost funny.

[Barney]

A young Arnie did an excellent documentary way way back on the future of driverless taxis highlighting the pro and cons.
How true it was in its predictions. Cars even looked like Tesla's.
Elon would have taken notice.

https://youtu.be/eWgrvNHjKkY?si=j4Rkklm3f4-e3ilL

[pipoz4444]

Call him what you want, through insults at him if you wish, consider his behaviour unconventional or even eccentric, but remember Elon Musk has achieved and continues to achieve, more than most could ever dream of in their lifetime. He is only 54 years of age.

Nevertheless, his critics only seem to have time to belittle him and his accomplishments, not that I think he really cares, being worth US 420 Billion.

Regardless of a few misshaps, which does come with the territory of space exploration, SpaceX is a success and so will Starlink be and both are his, well enough of them is.

[glalt]

Like him or hate him, Elon is a genius. He learned relatively quickly that he did not belong in politics. He stepped on a lot of toes and interfered with important people's pork projects. I think that even Elon had not realized just how corrupt politics really is. He has learned to keep his mouth shut and just get on with his own businesses.

[rick]

Firing thousands of people will never make you popular. Many of them were doing important jobs - CDC, weather monitoring, nuclear safety etc. Not just pen pushers. Lives probably have been, and will be, put at risk because of this.

[Kenr6583]

Like him or hate him, Elon is a genius. He learned relatively quickly that he did not belong in politics. He stepped on a lot of toes and interfered with important people's pork projects. I think that even Elon had not realized just how corrupt politics really is. He has learned to keep his mouth shut and just get on with his own businesses.

Elon Musk is a genius? I wouldn't go that far. A highly intelligent individual? Yes. A visionary? Yes. But as far as I know, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't actually created anything that already hasn't existed. He has taken something, rather his engineers have, and improved on it, no doubt.

You really can't believe that he just went about his own business after he realized how corrupt politics are. Musk is the epitome of corruption. He bought his way into the White House by donating over $250 million to Trump alone. He only left DOGE because he was only legally allowed to be there for a certain amount of time. And while he was there he was attempting to cancel contracts other companies had because he wanted them, one specifically with the FAA. Even after leaving DOGE he threatened to form his own political party because of the "Big Beautiful Bill". But after his one-time BFF threatened to look at cancelling his contracts with the government, he slithered away.

And while praising him don't forget that the corrupt U.S. Government loaned Tesla $465 million back in 2010. Don't forget about all the subsidies, federal grants, and tax credits the corrupt government awards him. And without the corrupt U.S Government, SpaceX would not even exist.

So Musk knows everything there is to know about corruption, he's right in the middle of it.

[pipoz4444]

Re. Elon Musk is a genius? I wouldn't go that far. A highly intelligent individual? Yes. A visionary? Yes. But as far as I know, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't actually created anything that already hasn't existed. He has taken something, rather his engineers have, and improved on it, no doubt.

Name two modern day greats / individuals / geniuses, that have developed something completely new from scratch, that has never been seen or existed on this planet, in the past, in some shape or form. I can't think of any.

What these individuals do in many cases, is to take something that does exist and with their vision, develop it to a greater intelligence level or greater diversity of use, because they can see better, how it might be used in other ways. This is their visionary expertise/gene. No too many people have that visionary gene, that allows them to see beyond tomorrow or beyond next week or month.

This development process has progressively happened, as one step at a time in many industries such as in Aeronautics, Cars, Phones, Computers, Research, Medicine, even Sport, but every now and again an individual comes along with a vision that allows it to take a giant leap, instead of a normal step!! Just think about it, for a minute.

As for the comment that "Rather his Engineers have...", I completely disagree. It also takes a special individual with that talent or visionary skill, to find the right mix of people, to manage and develop them into teams that function better that they do as individual (like putting components together on a Bugatti) and then have all of them strive to achieve that objective / vision. To use a parallel, you only have to look at sport, where some teams have a significant number of great individual players, but don't always win.

Also use a phrase, that equally applies in business, "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts", which can mean as individuals form teams, teams develop into departments and under the right management, departments become Companies, Companies that can develop greater / better things, than we have in the present.

Just my two cents worth

[glalt]

Re. Elon Musk is a genius? I wouldn't go that far. A highly intelligent individual? Yes. A visionary? Yes. But as far as I know, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't actually created anything that already hasn't existed. He has taken something, rather his engineers have, and improved on it, no doubt.

Name two modern day greats / individuals / geniuses, that have developed something completely new from scratch, that has never been seen or existed on this planet, in the past, in some shape or form. I can't think of any.

What these individuals do is many cases is take something that does exist and with their vision, develop it to a greater intelligence level or greater diversity of use, solely because they can see how it might be used in other ways. This is their visionary expertise/gene. No too many people have that visionary gene, that allows them to see beyond tomorrow or beyond next week or month.

This development process has progressively happened, as one step at a time in many industries such as in Aeronautics, Cars, Phones, Computers, Research, Medicine, even Sport, but every now and again an individual comes along with a vision that allows it to take a giant leap, instead of a normal step!! Just think about it, for a minute.

As for the comment that "Rather his Engineers have...", I completely disagree. It also takes a special individual with that talent or visionary skill, to find the right mix of people, to manage and develop them into teams that function better that they do (like putting components together on a Bugatti) and then have all of them strive to achieve the objective / vision. To use a parallel you only have to look at sport, where some teams have a significant number of great individual players but don't always win.

To use a phrase that equally applies in business, "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts", which can mean as individuals form teams, teams develop into departments and under the right management, department become Companies, Companies that can develop greater / better things, than we have in the present.

Just my two cents worth

This sums it up nicely. Good post.

[Udon Map]

Name two modern day greats / individuals / geniuses, that have developed something completely new from scratch, that has never been seen or existed on this planet, in the past, in some shape or form. I can't think of any.

OK, I'll nominate Seymour Cray and the Wright brothers.

[pipoz4444]

Name two modern day greats / individuals / geniuses, that have developed something completely new from scratch, that has never been seen or existed on this planet, in the past, in some shape or form. I can't think of any.

OK, I'll nominate Seymour Cray and the Wright brothers.

You may be right (not wright"), but that is a long time between drinks.

Yes some do credit the Wright brothers with inventing in 1903 and others only credit the the Wright Brothers have been credited as the first to achieve sustained, controlled, powered heavier-than-air manned flight.

From what I have read, their are others in aviation, before the Wright brothers, such as Clément Ader who lay claim and who actually who built the Avion III between 1893 - 1897 as steam power aircraft, before the time of the Wright Bros. If this is the case it looks like the Wright brothers took a concept a step further and yes the did perfect it, but possibly not conceive the idea of power flight .

As for Seymour Cray, apparently Cray did is also not credited by all with having invented the first computer,. He was recognized as the "father of supercomputing" with the CDC 6600, but it would also appear that their were other before him, such as Mr. Charles Babbage who have some claim to fame in inventing a concept of automated computing be it with the first mechanical computer. Which arguably, apparently paved the way for the more modern computing system

Granted there is a difference between the mechanical concept of Mr. Charles Babbage and that of Seymour Cray's CDC6600, nevertheless it is a difference and not a absolutely new concept from scratch. Arguably this too could be considered a step further.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage

We can dissent on the above, based on shape and size and power, but however you look at it, both the concept of powered flight and that of an automated means of computing, appear to have been conceived before Wright and Cray, in my humble view. Granted they both took a leap forward with the Wright Bros and Seymour Cray, that I do not dispute.

If I had to credit someone with a life changing creation over the past 50 years I would give that honor Tim Berners-Lee