Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

[Udon Map]

Israeli strikes on Gaza schools used as civilian shelters are part of deliberate strategy, say sources.

Yes, but it's Hamas that is causing these deaths. Hamas is using civilians as shields, as it has since the beginning. Hospitals, schools, and the like become legitimate targets when terrorists use them as shelters.

[AlexO]

Well, Israel is beginning to run out of friends.

The US has vetoed UN Security Council's draft resolution calling for an "unconditional and permanent" ceasefire in Gaza. The other 14 members voted in favour

. Even the UK voted for it -

The UK's ambassador to the UN Barbara Woodward explained that she voted in favour of the draft resolution because Britain wants the "intolerable situation in Gaza needs to end" and that the country sees a ceasefire as the best way to "achieve a long-term political solution".

She added that Israel needs to "end its restrictions" on aid now and "let the UN and humanitarians do their job to save lives, reduce suffering and maintain dignity".

Also

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... s-strategy

Israeli strikes on Gaza schools used as civilian shelters are part of deliberate strategy, say sources

No it didn't, the halfwit ruling party instructed their ambassador to do it. What else would you think the detestable Lammers would do.
The article in the pro-Hamas Guardian mentioned sources around 4 times which basically means the source is one of the Mohamed's from the Finchley Park Mosque.
Only the truly desperate or those who are to the left of Putin believes anything published in that rag.

[tamada]

And of course, Hamas never lies.

What a silly thing to write.

Have you read how Hamas, who currently have some of their Izzaddin al-Qassam Brigades members besieged by IDF forces on a hostage rescue mission, have stated that unless the IDF pulls back, they'll never see the hostage alive again?

https://en.iz.ru/en/1900201/2025-06-07/ ... elease-him

[jackspratt]

Nope - I rarely read Izvestia.

But I am not sure how it relates to your silly statement that "Hamas never lies".

[tamada]

Nope - I rarely read Izvestia.

But I am not sure how it relates to your silly statement that "Hamas never lies".

Maybe you should, or any of the many media outlets of all political persuasions that are reporting this threat which shows the open contempt that Hamas has for anyone's life. Their use of the hostages as bargaining chips and their release as part of their 'peace' negotiations has been a deceit from the get-go.

Maybe, instead of dancing on the head of a pin about how very, very bad Israel and the IDF is, you can come up with a comment that doesn't suggest that Hamas are the voice of the people or have any sort of legitimate claim to anything and that this is all Israel's fault.

I don't think Hamas are lying about this, do you?

[jackspratt]

I don't think Hamas are lying about this, do you?

No - why would I?

Maybe, instead of dancing on the head of a pin about how very, very bad Israel and the IDF is, you can come up with a comment that doesn't suggest that Hamas are the voice of the people or have any sort of legitimate claim to anything and that this is all Israel's fault.

From many of the reports I am reading, the Israeli government and the IDF are pretty bad, in respect to what they are doing to the civilian population of Gaza (and West Bank), including the 10s of thousands they have already killed.

If you interpret my comments as suggesting:

- Hamas are/is the voice of the people, or
- they have a claim of legitimacy, or
- this is all Israel's fault

I suggest you have another read, with hopefully a different, more open mindset.

[AlexO]

I don't think Hamas are lying about this, do you?

No - why would I?

Maybe, instead of dancing on the head of a pin about how very, very bad Israel and the IDF is, you can come up with a comment that doesn't suggest that Hamas are the voice of the people or have any sort of legitimate claim to anything and that this is all Israel's fault.

From many of the reports I am reading, the Israeli government and the IDF are pretty bad, in respect to what they are doing to the civilian population of Gaza (and West Bank), including the 10s of thousands they have already killed.

If you interpret my comments as suggesting:

- Hamas are/is the voice of the people, or
- they have a claim of legitimacy, or
- this is all Israel's fault

I suggest you have another read, with hopefully a different, more open mindset.

Didn't you post somewhere that you only read or view media articles that agree with your political views. There are no alternatives as far as you are concerned.
Your final sentence is slightly confusing, are you trying to say you have a sense of humour or that people should have the same "open mindset" as yourself.

[tamada]

As part of their tactics, Arabs have a history of holding on to the bodies of Israelis that they have murdered, knowing how important proper burial is to Jews.

I understand that the return of bodies forms part of Phase 3 of the agreement.

Does Hamas have the same understanding?

[tamada]

And what, in your opinion, should the inernational justice bodies do, if anything, to penalize Hamas?

They should do whatever laws and evidence allow and require them to do - just as they should, and have started doing, with Israel.

...but Israel

[tamada]

When have any of UNRWA's facilities NOT been under Hamas's "control"?

Perhaps never.

But in this particular case, the point - which has been clearly missed above - is whether or not UNRWA still had a presence at the facility when Ms Demari was being detained there.

Details of which have yet to be revealed.

Are you still waiting for Hamas to say they weren't anywhere near any UNRWA facility?

Ever?

[tamada]

You seem to be happy to give appropriate "innocent till proven guilty" leeway to Declan's protestations on the Trump threads, but not so much here.

Murdered is a pretty strong accusation without evidence - particularly in light of the relentless and obvious indiscriminate IDF bombing of Gaza since October 2023.

Eh, the fact is that they were alive and by all counts healthy when they were 'kidnapped' by Hamas. They are now deceased due to the continuing crime of kidnapping, therefor they were murdered by Hamas.

Does not matter in the eyes of the law whether Hamas pulled a trigger, starved them to death, they died due to the conditions they were held in. They died during the criminal act of kidnapping therefor they were murdered.

Sorry, Jack, didn't see your post earlier. Alex said it well, I second his words.

A couple of things spring to mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

Ah yes...

Given that it is Wikipedia, check out the links, and come to your own conclusion.

[tamada]

Where are people saying it's always the Jew's fault?

There is certainly plenty of fault on the Israeli state/IDF, just as there is on Hamas and eg Iran or Hezbollah.

Another, "but Israel" moment.

[jackspratt]

Didn't you post somewhere that you only read or view media articles that agree with your political views. There are no alternatives as far as you are concerned.

No - perhaps you confused me with someone else.

Your final sentence is slightly confusing, are you trying to say you have a sense of humour or that people should have the same "open mindset" as yourself.

Open minds, particularly on a subject as fraught as Gaza, should always be welcomed.

[jackspratt]

As part of their tactics, Arabs have a history of holding on to the bodies of Israelis that they have murdered, knowing how important proper burial is to Jews.

I understand that the return of bodies forms part of Phase 3 of the agreement.

Does Hamas have the same understanding?

6 months later - maybe not.

Particularly as Israel decided unilaterally to pull out, prior to Phase 2 even starting.

[AlexO]

Didn't you post somewhere that you only read or view media articles that agree with your political views. There are no alternatives as far as you are concerned.

No - perhaps you confused me with someone else.

Your final sentence is slightly confusing, are you trying to say you have a sense of humour or that people should have the same "open mindset" as yourself.

[Redacted]

Absolutely, thats why you should never just accept the utterings from one side as irrefutable fact, unless thats what you mean by being open minded.

[jackspratt]

Absolutely, thats why you should never just accept the utterings from one side as irrefutable fact, unless thats what you mean by being open minded.

Indeed - that's why you should never just totally deny the utterings from one side as being, for example "Hamas propaganda".

That's what I mean as being open-minded.

[AlexO]

As reported today on the BBC, reports from Gaza (Hamas) claim that the people firing upon the crowds at overflowing food warehouses are actually pro-Israeli Palestinians who have been armed by the IDF. After they finish shooting they filter back into IDF controlled areas and hide until they want to come out and shoot again.
I suppose one should be open-minded and give credence to this latest little gem from Hamas.

[AlexO]

Wee Greeting GRETA Thunberg and her bunch of far left wing idiots have refused to look at the video of the atrocities carried out by heroic Hamas murdering thugs ( most of the video comes from the murderers own phones etc while they raped and murdered the morning away on 7th Oct.)
Perhaps having an open-minded approach to evidence does not suit the left wing, rainbow bubble agenda

[tamada]

[AlexO]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1 ... nnel-lair/

I wonder how open-minded some of the more anti-Israel actions members will be about the contents of this article.
For information, The Scottish Sun is not what you would call a Pro-Israeli media outlet by anyone's train of thought.