Russia

[Bandung_Dero]

Off coarse he is! Putin will make Trump bleed like a stuck pig before the slightest hint of a de-escalation of any sort!

[papafarang]

Love it. Putin says if America wants grenland it's not of concern to russia.they get Ukraine and America gets Greenland. Unless Europe wants to fight America . This reported by the BBC. ' Putin gives the mod to trump '. Love the anarchy.

[tamada]

But our Vlad also said if America encroaches on Russia territory, then they'll respond in kind. I doubt Greenland is closer to Russia than Alaska so no clue what he's on about there.

[papafarang]

But our Vlad also said if America encroaches on Russia territory, then they'll respond in kind. I doubt Greenland is closer to Russia than Alaska so no clue what he's on about there.

Simple , Putin just told America to go ahead and just take Greenland. Decisive isn't he. He knows America wants Greenland for it's wealth,minerals,oil even fish. All trump has to do is send in the army and deport all the natives. America gets what it desperately needs, more access to the artic. Putin actually wants America to take forcibly Greenland.. good for America, bad for Europe. All done on national security grounds of course.

[tamada]

HELSINKI—With President Trump and many other world leaders preoccupied with the war in Ukraine, some Europeans are growing alarmed about what the Russian army has been doing much more quietly along other stretches of its border with Europe.

Some 100 miles east of its border with Finland, in the Russian city of Petrozavodsk, military engineers are expanding army bases where the Kremlin plans to create a new army headquarters to oversee tens of thousands of troops over the next several years.

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/russia ... _permalink

[tamada]

A significant increase in the amount of world leaders attending Russia's equivalent of the VE celebrations. Some countries that are not participating in the Ukraine offensive sent troops to march at the parade.

Good show Vlad, well done.

[papafarang]

Ukrainian neo Nazi leader threatening to attack a parade celebrating the defeat of the Nazis. Bet that went down well in Russia . Can't make this up can you.

[Stantheman]

Ukrainian neo Nazi leader threatening to attack a parade celebrating the defeat of the Nazis. Bet that went down well in Russia . Can't make this up can you.

Neo Nazi leader, I think somebody has been listening too much to his commie buddy Putin, unless new Nazis are Jewish.

[tamada]

Ukrainian neo Nazi leader threatening to attack a parade celebrating the defeat of the Nazis. Bet that went down well in Russia . Can't make this up can you.

Neo Nazi leader, I think somebody has been listening too much to his commie buddy Putin, unless new Nazis are Jewish.

Vlad handily lumped Nazis, anti-semitics and Russophobes into one pigeonhole during his victory speech.

[papafarang]

Ukrainian neo Nazi leader threatening to attack a parade celebrating the defeat of the Nazis. Bet that went down well in Russia . Can't make this up can you.

Neo Nazi leader, I think somebody has been listening too much to his commie buddy Putin, unless new Nazis are Jewish.

Sounds like your consuming propaganda . I got no dog in this race. The only thing I watch is a couple of YouTube channels. History legends is interesting, and Willy oam. Both are excellent analyst's, slightly Ukrainian bias but cut BS out. It would be interesting your opinion on Thier analysis .

https://youtu.be/EXhIbLqJlP4?si=7VJv3aZowgrId1-D

[AlexO]

Ukrainian neo Nazi leader threatening to attack a parade celebrating the defeat of the Nazis. Bet that went down well in Russia . Can't make this up can you.

Neo Nazi leader, I think somebody has been listening too much to his commie buddy Putin, unless new Nazis are Jewish.

Sounds like your consuming propaganda . I got no dog in this race. The only thing I watch is a couple of YouTube channels. History legends is interesting, and Willy oam. Both are excellent analyst's, slightly Ukrainian bias but cut BS out. It would be interesting your opinion on Thier analysis .

https://youtu.be/EXhIbLqJlP4?si=7VJv3aZowgrId1-D

Consuming propaganda can be a 2 way street Dean.
Nazi Germany was defeated in 1945 and it's leadership and senior protagonists either executed or jailed until they died. While the Nazi Party died back then it's impossible to completely wipe out the idea (same as Hamas etc) Apart from a few lunatics who still tattoo their bodies and adorn walls with the odd flag or two, the concept of Nazism only survives in left wing loonies minds. Its the same for Fascism it no longer really exists in its original form and tends to only be mentioned as an insult by increasingly floundering far left supporters.
Being Right Wing and being patriotic is not a crime. Most Americans and most Canadians etc are not Nazi's or facists but are very patriotic as an example.
How some people can actually believe Putin has invaded a 'Nazi' Ukraine is beyond comprehension.
Propaganda only works if you want to believe in the first place.

[tamada]

Having said that, there's probably a few black football players who moved to Slavic leagues that have a very different view on the displays of "patriotism" from local fans. They didn't have to be tattooed and shaven headed either.

The following article references the 'ultra' football fan base but I believe that dislike of certain races and religions isn't far below the surface of the average man or woman on the street, be it street in St. Petersburg, Kiev, Bradford or Glasgow.

The line between patriotism and fascism, if you can find it, is thin.

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/06/ ... iful-game/

[AlexO]

Having said that, there's probably a few black football players who moved to Slavic leagues that have a very different view on the displays of "patriotism" from local fans. They didn't have to be tattooed and shaven headed either.

The following article references the 'ultra' football fan base but I believe that dislike of certain races and religions isn't far below the surface of the average man or woman on the street, be it street in St. Petersburg, Kiev, Bradford or Glasgow.

The line between patriotism and fascism, if you can find it, is thin.

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/06/ ... iful-game/

So Russian Patriots are Fascists are they. Canadians who patriotically say they will never be a state in their southern neibours expanding empire are Fascists?

Most of these local fans as you so fondly call them probably could not spell Fascist. Perhaps racist is a better description for them.
The people who were lynching and burning people of a different colour until quite recently in historical terms in the USA were not Fascist, same as those in Russia who carried out the Pogroms were not Fascist.
Apartheid in South Africa was not Fascism it was Racism. The genocide in Rwanda was Racist not Fascism.
I have always stated that in my opinion there is no real difference between Far Left Stalinism or a Far Right Fascism(whatever that means) in reality.

[tamada]

Having said that, there's probably a few black football players who moved to Slavic leagues that have a very different view on the displays of "patriotism" from local fans. They didn't have to be tattooed and shaven headed either.

The following article references the 'ultra' football fan base but I believe that dislike of certain races and religions isn't far below the surface of the average man or woman on the street, be it street in St. Petersburg, Kiev, Bradford or Glasgow.

The line between patriotism and fascism, if you can find it, is thin.

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/06/ ... iful-game/

So Russian Patriots are Fascists are they. Canadians who patriotically say they will never be a state in their southern neibours expanding empire are Fascists?

Most of these local fans as you so fondly call them probably could not spell Fascist. Perhaps racist is a better description for them.
The people who were lynching and burning people of a different colour until quite recently in historical terms in the USA were not Fascist, same as those in Russia who carried out the Pogroms were not Fascist.
Apartheid in South Africa was not Fascism it was Racism. The genocide in Rwanda was Racist not Fascism.
I have always stated that in my opinion there is no real difference between Far Left Stalinism or a Far Right Fascism(whatever that means) in reality.

That's not what I, nor the article I linked to, suggested.

I never mentioned any "local fans" and where have I "fondly" mentioned anything? I didn't mention Russian or Canadian patriots either, so why are you putting words in my mouth?

But thanks anyway for the irrelevant history lesson while completely and utterly missing the point.

[AlexO]

Having said that, there's probably a few black football players who moved to Slavic leagues that have a very different view on the displays of "patriotism" from local fans. They didn't have to be tattooed and shaven headed either.

The following article references the 'ultra' football fan base but I believe that dislike of certain races and religions isn't far below the surface of the average man or woman on the street, be it street in St. Petersburg, Kiev, Bradford or Glasgow.

The line between patriotism and fascism, if you can find it, is thin.

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/06/ ... iful-game/

So Russian Patriots are Fascists are they. Canadians who patriotically say they will never be a state in their southern neibours expanding empire are Fascists?

Most of these local fans as you so fondly call them probably could not spell Fascist. Perhaps racist is a better description for them.
The people who were lynching and burning people of a different colour until quite recently in historical terms in the USA were not Fascist, same as those in Russia who carried out the Pogroms were not Fascist.
Apartheid in South Africa was not Fascism it was Racism. The genocide in Rwanda was Racist not Fascism.
I have always stated that in my opinion there is no real difference between Far Left Stalinism or a Far Right Fascism(whatever that means) in reality.

That's not what I, nor the article I linked to, suggested.

I never mentioned any "local fans" and where have I "fondly" mentioned anything? I didn't mention Russian or Canadian patriots either, so why are you putting words in my mouth?

But thanks anyway for the irrelevant history lesson while completely and utterly missing the point.

Dont you remember writing this in your post??

"The line between patriotism and fascism, if you can find it, is thin."
"displays of "patriotism" from local fans."

I was under the impression that the current patriotic fervour in Canada is actually current rather than historic but never mind, you are always correct, according to you.

[tamada]

Dont you remember writing this in your post??

"The line between patriotism and fascism, if you can find it, is thin."
"displays of "patriotism" from local fans."

I was under the impression that the current patriotic fervour in Canada is actually current rather than historic but never mind, you are always correct, according to you.

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[AlexO]

That really Fascism/Nazism does not exist in any real form these days and is just a figment of hand wringers imagination, whereas Racism still flourishes in all corners of the planet.
Hopefully you can now see the point.

[tamada]

That really Fascism/Nazism does not exist in any real form these days and is just a figment of hand wringers imagination, whereas Racism still flourishes in all corners of the planet.
Hopefully you can now see the point.

I can see that you can't see the thin line I referred to earlier. No problem, it's not easy for some and you're not alone.

To say fascism does not exist "in any real form" is a very handy but very narrow construct.

https://medium.com/@moligninip/is-2025- ... ca75ca4a7d

And in Europe, in the heart of the country that I assume is your reference to "any real form" of fascism, there's AfD who, according to Germany's Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, have either come close or have already crossed that line.

So, in what form does it have to be in order to become real?

[AlexO]

That really Fascism/Nazism does not exist in any real form these days and is just a figment of hand wringers imagination, whereas Racism still flourishes in all corners of the planet.
Hopefully you can now see the point.

I can see that you can't see the thin line I referred to earlier. No problem, it's not easy for some and you're not alone.

To say fascism does not exist "in any real form" is a very handy but very narrow construct.

https://medium.com/@moligninip/is-2025- ... ca75ca4a7d

And in Europe, in the heart of the country that I assume is your reference to "any real form" of fascism, there's AfD who, according to Germany's Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, have either come close or have already crossed that line.

So, in what form does it have to be in order to become real?

The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (German: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz or BfV, often Bundesverfassungsschutz) is Germany's federal domestic intelligence agency. Together with the Landesämter für Verfassungsschutz (LfV) at the state level, the federal agency is tasked with intelligence-gathering on efforts against the liberal democratic basic order

An organisation in Germany who will name anyone who does not wave Everybody Welcome placards as a Nazi/Fascist Sympathiser.
I suppose the German Government who have closed they're borders to illegal immigrants will be classed the same soon.

[tamada]

The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (German: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz or BfV, often Bundesverfassungsschutz) is Germany's federal domestic intelligence agency. Together with the Landesämter für Verfassungsschutz (LfV) at the state level, the federal agency is tasked with intelligence-gathering on efforts against the liberal democratic basic order, the existence and security of the federation or one of its states, and the peaceful coexistence of peoples; with counter-intelligence; and with protective security and counter-sabotage. The BfV reports to the Federal Ministry of the Interior and tasks and powers are regulated in the Federal Constitutional Protection Act (Bundesverfassungsschutzgesetz (BVerfSchG)). The last President was Thomas Haldenwang; he had been appointed in 2018 and left office in November 2024. The next president is supposed to be assigned by a new government following the 2025 German federal election.

In your rush to get out your message, whatever that may be, you forgot to copy and paste the complete Wicki so I've sorted it for you.