Future energy sources?

[AlexO]

You are quoting a spokesman for the Department of Renewing Ed Milliband's Political Career and similarly not expected to have any success.
[/quote]

If only Tam.
Someone had to give him the position as the spokesman for some lunatic Government policy.
The same Government who cannot fathom out that some of the highest end user energy costs in the world are hurting the economy.
Not surprising really when same outfit think that increasing tax costs to private sector employers is the way to generate growth in the economy.
Refugee's welcome to a Country who's economy is tanking, unemployment rising along with inflation. Way to go Son of a TOOLmaker.

[Doodoo]

Another one bites the dust
Tesla rival once valued at $30bn collapses amid electric car downturn
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesl ... 05338.html

[Doodoo]

More movement towards Hydrogen usage

BMW has announced a strategic shift away from electric vehicles, claiming a major breakthrough in hydrogen engine technology. The company has made significant advancements in hydrogen fuel cell development, positioning it as a more efficient and sustainable alternative to traditional EVs. Unlike battery-powered cars, hydrogen-powered vehicles utilize lightweight fuel cells, enabling faster refueling times and extended driving range.
BMW also underscored the environmental benefits of hydrogen technology, as these vehicles produce only water vapor emissions, making them a game-changer for the future of clean energy transportation. This move aligns with the growing demand for sustainable mobility solutions and reinforces BMW’s commitment to next-generation automotive innovation.

[Doodoo]

Another one bites the dust
"Electric Car Company Declares Bankruptcy — After 18 Years of Losses"
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... 443d&ei=18

[AlexO]

Not really an EV car manufacturer is it Doodoo, but agree that they are only useful in limited applications.
Inner city mass transport systems, depot based local authority fleet vehicles etc.
Apart from that its all part of the huge green energy con.

[jackspratt]

Another one bites the dust
"Electric Car Company Declares Bankruptcy — After 18 Years of Losses"
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... 443d&ei=18

Did you even read the story, Dd - beyond the clickbait headline?

It is a car-share company, not an "Electric Car Company", and the car-share business is continuing under a new name and owner.

[Doodoo]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/29146832354904092
EV on the way out?

[tamada]

China has reportedly discovered a massive thorium reserve in Inner Mongolia, estimated at one million tons, which could potentially power the nation for 60,000 years. Thorium, a radioactive metal, has been identified as a promising alternative to traditional nuclear fuels due to its abundance and potential for safer energy production. This discovery could revolutionize global energy production by reducing reliance on fossil fuels and paving the way for sustainable, long-term energy solutions. China's exploration into thorium-based energy aligns with its broader goals of achieving energy security and environmental sustainability. The successful utilization of thorium could lead to a significant shift in the global energy landscape, offering a cleaner and virtually limitless power source for the future.

[AlexO]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly3pnjyzp4o

Finally the loony politicians are starting to realise the absolutely impossible target dates were/are never going to be achievable.
Time to stop beggaring national economies, stop people dying from cold etc and start hammering the people who cut down the forests and all the other natural carbon positive elements the Blue Planet has always depended on.

[Barney]

Well some ones done their homework on the affordability of Nuclear providing economic advantages to provide opportunity for industry.
If only the lefty ratbags in Australia would widen their vision.

https://www.nucnet.org/news/nuclear-nee ... y-3-1-2025

[jackspratt]

Lefty ratbags probably understand that what may be economically advantageous in one country/region (eg Europe/Poland) may not stack up economically in another country (eg Australia).

[AlexO]

Lefty ratbags probably understand that what may be economically advantageous in one country/region (eg Europe/Poland) may not stack up economically in another country (eg Australia).

Just what economic factors make the nuclear option not beneficial in Australia.
Clean energy, constantly available over an 80 year lifespan, with very little costs involved after the initial construction/commissioning phase.
I seems that the Aussie left wing did not think of it first so total rejection of a solution that the rest of the world see's as the only reasonable solution to future energy requirements and keeping the carbon footprint as low as possible.

[jackspratt]

It's all in here, Alex. I'll leave it to you to wend your way through.

viewtopic.php?f=142&t=55912

[tamada]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly3pnjyzp4o

Finally the loony politicians are starting to realise the absolutely impossible target dates were/are never going to be achievable.
Time to stop beggaring national economies, stop people dying from cold etc and start hammering the people who cut down the forests and all the other natural carbon positive elements the Blue Planet has always depended on.

I'm reading that Kemi Badenoch has just had her renewables delivery target epiphany. It's a pity that her "visionary" party is going to be in the British political wilderness until around the time she reckons renewables will be viable.

[AlexO]

It's all in here, Alex. I'll leave it to you to wend your way through.

viewtopic.php?f=142&t=55912

No its not. Its the same old inaccurate garbage produced by an anti-nuclear faction that suits the lefty halfwits in office just now.

[Doodoo]

Slowly but surely Hydrogen is a fuel of the future

https://www.investcanada.ca/industries/ ... 37543127a5

[Doodoo]

The NamX hydrogen car is a game-changer in green energy transportation, offering an ultra-fast five-second refuelling time—a major advantage over electric vehicles. With an impressive 1,500-kilometre (932-mile) range, this hydrogen-powered vehicle is perfect for long-distance travel without frequent stops. It tackles key issues like long EV charging times and the lack of charging infrastructure, making it a highly efficient and reliable alternative.
This zero-emission car blends cutting-edge automotive technology with sustainability, positioning itself as a leader in the clean energy vehicle market. As the demand for hydrogen fuel cell cars grows, the NamX SUV sets a new benchmark for eco-friendly mobility. Its combination of high performance, sustainability, and convenience makes it an attractive choice for those seeking futuristic, carbon-neutral transportation. The future of green travel is here, and the NamX hydrogen SUV is leading the way.

[AlexO]

It tackles key issues like long EV charging times and the lack of charging infrastructure, making it a highly efficient and reliable alternative.

Is this not the same for hydrogen cars DD. Lack of refuelling infrastructure. Who is going to invest billions in refuelling facilities before the actual sales of hydrogen cars is a fact, or inversely, who is going to invest billions in manufacturing plants if there is no way of refuelling the end product.

[Doodoo]

"who will invest billions" Apparently the car companies and the major oil companies.

Stay tuned

[Barney]

Doodoo I like the idea and think you are correct in that hydrogen vehicles will be part of the solution but unfortunately it will be some time off. From where they source it.
There are currently about 9 types of hydrogen production planned under the colour coding. Would most likely be the grey hydrogen using carbon capture techniques. Carbon capture is in its infancy now. Elon and NASA will buy most for their rocket ships.

Lack of any infrastructure of a supply chain from process plant to the delivery into the vehicle is well known but the safety aspect is a sticking point.
Investment will happen overtime, but they run the risk of a major incident with the hydrogen gas ignition.
Easy to ignite and a very fast and intense flame. How do you extinguish the fire if a vehicle has a major accident.
Convincing the public, they are not sitting on a bomb will be difficult.
I would imagine that all electrical and electronic components will need to be intrinsically safe, in the vehicle, transport, shipping and the fuel station this is not cheap and adds thousands to a final cost as those of us, and you may well be one on this forum who have worked in the oil and gas industry know too well the huge additional cost of an intrinsic safe plant. Safety in design will add heaps to the final cost. The local panel beater or garage will not be able to service or repair without a highly certified instrument or gas fitter mechanic.
The industry could not afford any catastrophic mistake which would instantly stop the industry. Think Hindenburg or Concorde.
I will stayed tuned but not holding my breath.