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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by Doodoo » January 26, 2025, 3:14 pm

Being reported "Israel and Hamas accused each other of breaching the terms of the ceasefire deal on Saturday after four more hostages were released from Gaza."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-warns- ... 18900.html



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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 1, 2025, 7:42 pm

Sort of puts a realistic light on how neutral the UN is.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj91ygv803xo

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by jackspratt » February 1, 2025, 8:32 pm

Israeli family says Hamas used UNRWA buildings in Gaza to hide hostage

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-01/ ... /104885794
Sensible people would probably wait until they got more details about the timeline of Ms Damari's detention by Hamas.

For example, when she was being held in the UNRWA facility, was UNRWA present, or had the facility passed into Hamas control?

Hopefully there will be further information forthcoming - at which time, I at least, will be happy to make a judgement.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 1, 2025, 8:56 pm

For example, when she was being held in the UNRWA facility, was UNRWA present, or had the facility passed into Hamas control?
Hopefully there will be further information forthcoming - at which time, I at least, will be happy to make a judgement.

Calling for more details and real fact check confirmations from a basically pro-Hamas news agency article must be quite unique for some who consistently accept every Hamas Health Agency article as absolute fact.
Girl who was a hostage tells a story about her kidnapping, someone wants to check with Hamas for confirmation.
Jeez.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by tamada » February 2, 2025, 6:39 am

When have any of UNRWA's facilities NOT been under Hamas's "control"?
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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by jackspratt » February 2, 2025, 8:05 pm

tamada wrote:
February 2, 2025, 6:39 am
When have any of UNRWA's facilities NOT been under Hamas's "control"?
Perhaps never.

But in this particular case, the point - which has been clearly missed above - is whether or not UNRWA still had a presence at the facility when Ms Demari was being detained there.

Details of which have yet to be revealed.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by tamada » February 2, 2025, 8:39 pm

jackspratt wrote:
February 2, 2025, 8:05 pm
tamada wrote:
February 2, 2025, 6:39 am
When have any of UNRWA's facilities NOT been under Hamas's "control"?
Perhaps never.

But in this particular case, the point - which has been clearly missed above - is whether or not UNRWA still had a presence at the facility when Ms Demari was being detained there.

Details of which have yet to be revealed.
When does "presence" become indicative of, or become synonymous with "control"?

For example, I have a presence in the tamada household, but I'm certainly not in control of it.
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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by jackspratt » February 2, 2025, 9:03 pm

Gawd luv' a duck!

To put it in as simple terms as I can, when Ms Demari was taken to the UNRWA facility and held captive there, were UNRWA staff present?

When we know that, perhaps blame can be apportioned - or not.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 2, 2025, 9:25 pm

jackspratt wrote:
February 2, 2025, 9:03 pm
Gawd luv' a duck!

To put it in as simple terms as I can, when Ms Demari was taken to the UNRWA facility and held captive there, were UNRWA staff present?

When we know that, perhaps blame can be apportioned - or not.
Given that the heroic murdering neanderthals only wear an identifiable uniform when they are sure they are safe from justice after hiding behind women and children in civilian clothes, how would a badly wounded young hostage be able to differentiate between a murdering UN paid worker or just a murdering, raping, religious fanatic. Both are basically the same as far as Gaza is concerned.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by tamada » February 2, 2025, 10:41 pm

jackspratt wrote:
February 2, 2025, 9:03 pm
Gawd luv' a duck!

To put it in as simple terms as I can, when Ms Demari was taken to the UNRWA facility and held captive there, were UNRWA staff present?

When we know that, perhaps blame can be apportioned - or not.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's still not necessarily UNRWA staff
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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 2, 2025, 11:08 pm

jackspratt wrote:
February 2, 2025, 9:03 pm
Gawd luv' a duck!

To put it in as simple terms as I can, when Ms Demari was taken to the UNRWA facility and held captive there, were UNRWA staff present?

When we know that, perhaps blame can be apportioned - or not.
How can you claim that a young lady who was kidnapped during one of the most horrific barbaric acts by terrorist religious fanatics, and who is suffering life changing wounds is being the equivalent of the Hamas propaganda machine and lying when describing her horrendous experience.
Even the most rabid anti Israeli must recognise that the hostages have been held in almost the equivalent of the most barbaric conditions known to civilised man since WWII.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by jackspratt » February 3, 2025, 8:14 am

tamada wrote:
February 2, 2025, 10:41 pm

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's still not necessarily UNRWA staff
I don't know, and you don't know, if UNRWA staff were present or had already ducked off by the time Ms Damari was taken and held in UNRWA facilities.

And neither has Ms Damari, to the best of my knowledge, been reported as saying so.

A lack of comprehension, combined now with the inevitable red mist, seems to have pervaded this thread in the past couple of days. :?

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 3, 2025, 10:15 am

And you didn't know that the claims of genocide, planned starvation and all the other propaganda from Hamas were true but you repeated it as absolute fact.
Yet a girl who suffered life changing injuries under the animalistic heroic terrorists and tells her story is not believed?

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by tamada » February 4, 2025, 2:16 am

jackspratt wrote:
February 3, 2025, 8:14 am
tamada wrote:
February 2, 2025, 10:41 pm

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's still not necessarily UNRWA staff
I don't know, and you don't know, if UNRWA staff were present or had already ducked off by the time Ms Damari was taken and held in UNRWA facilities.

And neither has Ms Damari, to the best of my knowledge, been reported as saying so.

A lack of comprehension, combined now with the inevitable red mist, seems to have pervaded this thread in the past couple of days. :?
What red mist?

How about some among us being unable to comprehend that just because others choose to disagree with their position, it doesn't mean that their comprehension is in any way inferior.

Especially, as you acknowledge, nobody has a lock on what's factual or true, including those that despise Israel.
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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by jackspratt » February 4, 2025, 8:42 am

This chain started with the implication that because Ms Damari stated she was held at UN/UNRWA facilities - which I have never questioned - that the UN/UNRWA must have been in on it ie not neutral.

I suggested on 4 occasions it would be worthwhile to wait and see whether UN/UNRWA people were actually physically present at said facilities, before jumping to such a conclusion. This is the 5th.

But apparently that was too hard to comprehend, and here we are - along with the infusion of a ton of florid hyperbole*, and the odd Anatidaen reference.

* my contribution. ;)

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 4, 2025, 10:23 am

jackspratt wrote:
February 4, 2025, 8:42 am
This chain started with the implication that because Ms Damari stated she was held at UN/UNRWA facilities - which I have never questioned - that the UN/UNRWA must have been in on it ie not neutral.

I suggested on 4 occasions it would be worthwhile to wait and see whether UN/UNRWA people were actually physically present at said facilities, before jumping to such a conclusion. This is the 5th.

But apparently that was too hard to comprehend, and here we are - along with the infusion of a ton of florid hyperbole*, and the odd Anatidaen reference.

* my contribution. ;)
Was there not enough references to Genocide, starvation etc for your liking. Shame but life sucks sometime.
Given that the UN never made a public announcement that its 'neutral' UNRWA workers had been forced out of their facilities by the evil Hamas gunmen most sensible people would surmise that they were working side by side (hardly the first time) in the building.
How would a wounded,frightened young girl be able to differentiate between a 'neutral' aid worker and a terrorist when they speak the same language, dress in the same clothes etc.
While your ability to count is to be admired, some of your logic is questionable.

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by tamada » February 4, 2025, 12:22 pm

jackspratt wrote:
February 4, 2025, 8:42 am
This chain started with the implication that because Ms Damari stated she was held at UN/UNRWA facilities - which I have never questioned - that the UN/UNRWA must have been in on it ie not neutral.

I suggested on 4 occasions it would be worthwhile to wait and see whether UN/UNRWA people were actually physically present at said facilities, before jumping to such a conclusion. This is the 5th.

But apparently that was too hard to comprehend, and here we are - along with the infusion of a ton of florid hyperbole*, and the odd Anatidaen reference.

* my contribution. ;)
Insert flogging a dead horse emoji [here]
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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by jackspratt » February 4, 2025, 1:14 pm

Is there an "Ah! .... now I get it" emoji?

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by AlexO » February 5, 2025, 8:25 am

jackspratt wrote:
February 4, 2025, 1:14 pm
Is there an "Ah! .... now I get it" emoji?
Another succinct and informative post. :-"

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Re: Israel Hamas ceasefire - phased hostage release & IDF withdrawal

Post by tamada » February 5, 2025, 8:40 am

jackspratt wrote:
February 4, 2025, 1:14 pm
Is there an "Ah! .... now I get it" emoji?
Obviously not, or else you would have used it.

Nice horse BTW.
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