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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by AlexO » June 1, 2022, 11:28 am

All joking apart Tam. They are no longer the Labour Party I voted for up until the Bliar era. Bliar taking us into the Iraq war for a false reason but also lying about it, and some say authorising murder of a prominent scientist who was challenging his theories to boot. Then just handing over the reins to Broony without giving a vote to the people for the idiot who was spending his way to almost bankrupting the UK.



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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by tamada » June 1, 2022, 12:06 pm

^^ Good one Alex!

^ Same as the Tories and Cameron slinking away and handing it over to May who then did the same with Johnson. Unfortunately, ALL the opposition was largely missing when Johnson finally got the people's nod about 6 months after his party reckoned he was the man for the job. The way these buggers behave, it would take a lot of paper to call a general election every time party's chosen leader shoots himself/herself in the foot mid-term.

Looking at pre-Blair governments, I only see Heath sandwiched between the serial awfulnesses of Wilson and Callaghan. Otherwise it's all been a bit of a desert for Labour since Atlee, no?
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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by AlexO » June 1, 2022, 1:39 pm

tamada wrote:
June 1, 2022, 12:06 pm
^^ Good one Alex!

^ Same as the Tories and Cameron slinking away and handing it over to May who then did the same with Johnson. Unfortunately, ALL the opposition was largely missing when Johnson finally got the people's nod about 6 months after his party reckoned he was the man for the job. The way these buggers behave, it would take a lot of paper to call a general election every time party's chosen leader shoots himself/herself in the foot mid-term.

Looking at pre-Blair governments, I only see Heath sandwiched between the serial awfulnesses of Wilson and Callaghan. Otherwise it's all been a bit of a desert for Labour since Atlee, no?
Agree Tam, but I was brought up in a working class environment in Scotland and it was pretty much monkey see, monkey do, ie follow what your class of people have always done and vote Labour even if they are a bunch of incompetent, lying , thieving halfwits. (the Lanarkshire Mafia, First Ministers being forced to resign because of corruption) etc. But then the grass roots of the party were mostly from the same background and did to some extent represent the blue collar workers (using a USA term). Now they are mostly Oxford grads and South East Champaign Socialists who want Marxism as long as they are in the elite politburo with all the perks the Lumpen Masses have no access too. Shouldn't really get involved in political discussions as that was one of the many reasons I came to live here but some of the comments on here really boil my pee pee.

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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by AlexO » June 1, 2022, 1:57 pm

Forgot to mention that your first sentence was not quite strictly true. Cameron had hoisted his mainstay on the UK remaining in the EU, when Leave won his position was untenable. May was voted in by the majority of the party in Government at the time and made a complete pigs ear of it, then went to the Nation to plead for a mandate, ended up with a minority Government. The Tories then held a leadership election which Boris won hands down and then in 2019 went to the Nation again and won by a huge majority. Bliar on the other hand was almost forced to hand over the keys to Number 10 because of a secret agreement with the Ministers son that he would had over to Broon so he could make squillions in Private life.

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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by Earnest » June 1, 2022, 6:24 pm

Labour need to get a foothold back in Scotland both in the Scottish parliament and at Westminster. Lord knows what went wrong up there. Labour needs someone charismatic to lead them in a national context 'cos Blighty needs a change after 12 years of Conservative buffoonery.
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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by tamada » June 1, 2022, 6:46 pm

Earnest wrote:
June 1, 2022, 6:24 pm
Labour need to get a foothold back in Scotland both in the Scottish parliament and at Westminster. Lord knows what went wrong up there. Labour needs someone charismatic to lead them in a national context 'cos Blighty needs a change after 12 years of Conservative buffoonery.
The London-centric Tories under Thatcher and Labour under Blair, ignored Scotland for far too long. Thatcher's edicts disenfranchised the Tories long ago while Scottish Labour were convulsed with inner fighting between somewhat unlikeable personalities. This gave an opening for the (then) charismatic Alex Salmond and his nationalist vehicle, spinning his dreams of a self-governing Nirvana north of Hadrian's. He botched the independence referendum but in the political vacuum that is Holyrood, it's the electorate that got the bum's rush, not the SNP.

Judging by the recent local elections, the Scots voters still haven't woken up to the fact that being shafted by your ain folk isn't any better than a Westminster buggering.
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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by Earnest » June 2, 2022, 1:27 am

Back in the day, Westminster had an unusually large share of Scottish MPs, especially in Blair's government. Nothing wrong in that but I argue that aside from the SNP there are not so many these days.

I say again, Labour has to increase its footprint in Scotland to get a decent majority in Westminster.
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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by pepesgrill » June 2, 2022, 11:55 am

alex0 and tamada really need to sit down and watch
braveheart together. and get their heads right :-s

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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by AlexO » June 2, 2022, 2:46 pm

pepesgrill wrote:
June 2, 2022, 11:55 am
alex0 and tamada really need to sit down and watch
braveheart together. and get their heads right :-s
Tams probably seen it and I have also seen the totally inaccurate version of Scotland's history during those times.
Unfortunately there are many halfwits who believe the fairy tale in Mel's movie.
If you look back it was the tinder that lit the fire that has become the Scottish Separative movement with the racial hatred etc. that has been egged on by successive leaders of the SNP who are more closely related in policy to the IRA than the rule from Westminster.
Tam is no fool and I also believe that Scotland trying to go it as an Independent Nation free from Westminster but are absolutely committed to being ruled by the EU with all the border issues etc (85% of Scottish 'exports' are to the UK Nations) is an absolute joke.
Incidentally the SNP while being the largest voted in party only have around 35% of the vote 65% being spread across the 3 Unionist parties that's why Nippy does not want a referendum where it is a Yes or No vote. She will lose just the same as Salmond in 2014.

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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by pepesgrill » June 2, 2022, 2:48 pm

i found "the outlaw k*ng"to be a disappointment

how dare he ( mel that wacky guy) make that movie
probably doesn't even read thescotsman the ba*tard

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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by tamada » June 20, 2022, 12:23 pm

"Barbara Hall was enjoying a quiet morning at her senior citizens’ group in Wakefield when word went round that a special guest would be attending. Hall, a retired saleswoman, watched Keir Starmer work the room. “I wasn’t convinced,” she said. “He’s an awkward person, isn’t he? He doesn’t fit in. Boris Johnson would fit in. He would have us screaming and laughing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eld-voters

Mrs Hall! Put the ballot paper down down and move away. Now!

I don't know what's worse. An insipid leader of the opposition or an electorate that still clings to the notion that Boris is a bloody good wheeze.
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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by tamada » June 21, 2022, 10:31 am

Here are three sound bites that the Grauniad's reporters, recently embedded with Starmer's Wakefield Expeditionary Forces, found worthy of a broader audience.
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If those were the witterings of our nan on her third remission, we would be quietly urging the hospital that it's time to unplug her life support.

So the bland man appears to be more of an impediment in Yorkshire than the predations of the drunk, groping pervert they elected last time. Here's all power to the LibDems to show a bit more of a moral compass and intelligence down in Devon. Yes, I know that places me firmly in the 'anyone but the Tories' camp but when push comes to shove...
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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by GT93 » June 22, 2022, 3:14 am

What's happened to AlexO? I guess the door gave his arse quite a whack.

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Re: Labour's new leader

Post by tamada » June 22, 2022, 9:58 am

GT93 wrote:
June 22, 2022, 3:14 am
What's happened to AlexO? I guess the door gave his arse quite a whack.
He's not running for Labour party leadership.
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