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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by AlexO » September 15, 2020, 7:50 pm

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September 15, 2020, 1:13 am
I think some Maori landowners charge foreigners more at some places in New Zealand. Tourists visit these places by choice.

I think Thais should charge me more when I visit major Thai tourist attractions. I earn way more money than the average Thai. A say 200 baht entrance fee is nothing to someone who has flown in from another country. I also have a choice. I don't need to visit the attraction. There are heaps of other things to do in Thailand.
Would you be so equally happy if they charged you more in 7-11 or in a restaurant??.
Of course it happens everywhere, My Egyptian missus used to tell me to hide round the corner while she negotiated taxi fares etc in Cairo. The drivers used to be most unhappy when I appeared.



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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by AlexO » September 15, 2020, 9:52 pm

tamada wrote:
September 15, 2020, 10:22 am
AlexO wrote:
September 14, 2020, 6:59 pm
pipoz4444 wrote:
September 14, 2020, 5:08 pm
I too have no problem with a preferential pricing system, that favors the local Thais

A Country/Government should provide its own citizens with some benefits, before Others, regardless of whether the Others are Tourists or Temporary “Residents”, claiming to have rights which they were not born to. \:D/

Other Countries in the World apply the same or similar rules, with certain preferences or benefits to their own citizens, before Others who are just visiting or passing through. =;

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Absolute nonsense. Please show by example where another Nation actually posts at the entrance to a Tourist facility that if you are not a National you have to pay more. Next it will be ok to charge a round eye more for an ice cream in 7/11.
It was a few years ago but I do recall that foreign tourists did get charged more for ice cream than resident Cubans at Coppelia off the Malecón in Havana. I was a big rich (and handsome) oil and gas man back then so it wasn't an issue. I had no shortage of willing and nubile young Cubanita's to go get my ice cream for me.

Socialism is beautiful (and so was Yahima Gandol Gonzalez).
Surprised that you knew any Cubans that could afford ice creams (must have been Fidel's pals). Most Cubans I met were lucky to put rice and beans on the table once a day. Cuban Socialism/Communism is far from beautiful if you are just one of the lumpen masses.

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Post by tamada » September 16, 2020, 12:59 pm

^ We got by. Saved the daily chicken for a slap up family weekend meal... a bit like PF's.

Apart from no bloody sugar, the doctor made house calls and Yahima's granny got treated like a queen on the daily nurse's visits.

Yahima graduated from Havana Uni. She's in Miami now with her older sister, owns a hair salon.

BTW, Coppelia was all about Fidel's notion of cheap ice cream for the lumpen masses. That's why they had a price differential for foreigners.

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Post by pipoz4444 » September 19, 2020, 1:32 pm

Future Tourism

Whilst we all know that tourism in 2020 is already a lost cause, the speculation on the extent of recovery in 2021 (if any) still remains very uncertain. :confused: So many variables will affect it.
Extracts:
Year 2020: Under the scenarios, the impact of the loss of demand in international travel could translate into:
• Loss of 850 million to 1.1 Billion international tourists
• Loss of US$910 billion to US$1.2 trillion in export revenues from tourism
• 100 to 120 million direct tourism jobs at risk

Year 2021 and Beyond: The extension of the scenarios into 2021, point to a change in trend next year, based on the assumptions of a gradual and linear lifting of travel restrictions, the availability of a vaccine or treatment and a return of traveler confidence. Nonetheless, despite this, the return to 2019 levels in terms of tourist arrivals would take between 2½ to 4 years.

https://www.unwto.org/taxonomy/term/347

https://webunwto.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws ... 02_May.pdf

Re. Graph on the International Tourist Arrivals in 2020 : Three Scenarios, would appear to have been prepared back in early April 2020 (based ion the dotted lines). It will therefore be, very interesting to see their updated version of this graph and a re-forecast of the three Scenarios into year 2021, in a few more months’ time.

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Post by AlexO » September 19, 2020, 8:32 pm

tamada wrote:
September 16, 2020, 12:59 pm
^ We got by. Saved the daily chicken for a slap up family weekend meal... a bit like PF's.

Apart from no bloody sugar, the doctor made house calls and Yahima's granny got treated like a queen on the daily nurse's visits.

Yahima graduated from Havana Uni. She's in Miami now with her older sister, owns a hair salon.

BTW, Coppelia was all about Fidel's notion of cheap ice cream for the lumpen masses. That's why they had a price differential for foreigners.
No bloody sugar?? It was about the only thing that was plentiful in Cuba (not true, rum and beautiful ladies as well), they even put it in the mohito's

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pipoz4444 wrote:
September 19, 2020, 1:32 pm

Year 2021 and Beyond: The extension of the scenarios into 2021, point to a change in trend next year, based on the assumptions of a gradual and linear lifting of travel restrictions, the availability of a vaccine or treatment and a return of traveler confidence. Nonetheless, despite this, the return to 2019 levels in terms of tourist arrivals would take between 2½ to 4 years.


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Don't know about the rest of the world, but here in the United States we're going to have a vaccine in October, so I should be in Thailand in November......(sarcasm of course)

That being said, do you think it is the traveler confidence that is waning, or just the fact that the countries are not opened up and the restrictions and requirements they are going to impose are too much of an inconvenience or hassle?

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Post by Kenr6583 » September 20, 2020, 4:32 am

AlexO wrote:
September 19, 2020, 8:32 pm
tamada wrote:
September 16, 2020, 12:59 pm
^ We got by. Saved the daily chicken for a slap up family weekend meal... a bit like PF's.

Apart from no bloody sugar, the doctor made house calls and Yahima's granny got treated like a queen on the daily nurse's visits.

Yahima graduated from Havana Uni. She's in Miami now with her older sister, owns a hair salon.

BTW, Coppelia was all about Fidel's notion of cheap ice cream for the lumpen masses. That's why they had a price differential for foreigners.
No bloody sugar?? It was about the only thing that was plentiful in Cuba (not true, rum and beautiful ladies as well), they even put it in the mohito's
It ain't no mojito if it doesn't have any sugar.

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » September 20, 2020, 11:39 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
September 20, 2020, 3:56 am
pipoz4444 wrote:
September 19, 2020, 1:32 pm

Year 2021 and Beyond: The extension of the scenarios into 2021, point to a change in trend next year, based on the assumptions of a gradual and linear lifting of travel restrictions, the availability of a vaccine or treatment and a return of traveler confidence. Nonetheless, despite this, the return to 2019 levels in terms of tourist arrivals would take between 2½ to 4 years.


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Don't know about the rest of the world, but here in the United States we're going to have a vaccine in October, so I should be in Thailand in November......(sarcasm of course)

That being said, do you think it is the traveler confidence that is waning, or just the fact that the countries are not opened up and the restrictions and requirements they are going to impose are too much of an inconvenience or hassle?
Hi Ken and I think it is more the later

People tend to go on holidays to relax or enjoy themselves and not jump through onerous excessively complicated regulatory procedures/hoops. To me, this will be the first deterrent or turn off to those looking for a relaxing time elsewhere. If the initial travel process doesn’t ease up, then I believe a significant number of travelers will look for that less complicated travel options, where ever it might be, maybe closer to home and with minimum restrictions or complications on them. The current and immediate process is for sure, an inconvenience, if not more.

People also go on holidays with the view of enjoying themselves financially. Many have to save for their holiday in advance. People who come back from a holiday having overspent, often feel like they haven’t had one at all, particularly if they are then having to pay off that holiday over the next six months. The idea of having to save and spend a sh...t load, before you even spend your first day at the beach, is or has been up to now, foreign to most travelers. This in itself will be another turn off a more (not all).

Combine the two and for sure, this has to put a dent in the number of people who are now considering taking several holidays a year, when once they were affordable in both time and cost. My view is that many will rethink and now only take one holiday each year. This will reshape the future number of monthly travelers, junketing it around the world.

If I and a few guys that I work with are any example, we have been taking 6 to 8 trips per year to Thailand for the past 12 years, staying for a week or less each trip. Even if the restrictions into Thailand were lifted tomorrow, to a reduced 5-7 days quarantine period, we would scale our number of trips to Thailand back to 3 per year. We may not be your average “A typical” tourists, but I am sure that many others will also scale back on their yearly trips overseas for their own reasons, even if and when there are reduced restrictions on entry, down the track

I don’t think it is a "Traveler Confidence" issue, but rather, in part, a mind reset of one priorities in life, largely due to the threat of the same thing (a future pandemic) happening again, always being in the back of your mind. :-k :-k

Just my 2 cent worth

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Post by Kenr6583 » September 20, 2020, 12:22 pm

Just found out that Mexico is open, no restrictions, just doing temperature checks and heard they had those thermol body scanners at airport. Might head to Cancun for a few days in November. Someone just got back and said that masks are required and hotels have social distancing requirements and have to limit the number of rooms available, but that everything was good.

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Post by mech_401 » September 21, 2020, 9:42 am

source dailymail.co.uk

story today about how(1) woman with no temp but sore throat&cough she did not disclose infected (15) others on flight from london to vietnam :-s these flights themselves seem riskiest
thing about coming and going. yikes

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Post by pipoz4444 » September 21, 2020, 4:48 pm

RE. It will bring in 1.2 Billion Baht a month to stimulate the economy, said the media

How many new Tourists on this STV are expected in a the first, second and third months?

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/118357 ... paign=news

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Post by tamada » September 22, 2020, 6:36 am

Just had some guys I work with return to their homes after a job offshore Vietnam.

The two Singaporean based guys did a PCR test on arrival, then given a smart wristband, a tracker device that plugs into a wall socket in their house OR an app installed on their smartphones to monitor their movement during a strict 7-day home quarantine.

The Indonesian guy transited untested from port to Changi airport and flew to Jakarta. PCR test on arrival was -ve so permitted to travel domestically to his home next day (after test results received) with no further monitoring or testing required.

They never set foot in Vietnam and the only people they had contact with were the +40 fellow crew members that all passed two PCR tests, one on departure from Singapore and the next one 14 days later while offshore Vietnam, all -ve tests.

That's how essential workers are handled. Can't see tourists choosing to do the same.

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Post by Drunk Monkey » September 22, 2020, 12:19 pm

Can anyone confirm..

I was channel.hopping n dropped on a news channel at the tail end of a section that i think qas announcing another 4 day holiday ..19.to 22 October ..which undually covers week days not a long weekend .. not 100% ..did anyone else catch the whole segment n can confirm.???

Boosting donestic tourism is great but it does slow done the wheels of industry and any gevernmental documentation thsts in process .

Thanks in advance

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Post by Doodoo » September 22, 2020, 12:28 pm

If it is, that matches up with the School Holiday Oct 22 to 26

Film at 11

https://www.edarabia.com/school-holidays-thailand/

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