The Historic Impeachment Trial of Trump

[Kenr6583]

Well if Trump would just allow everyone who was subpoenaed to testify and not invoke executive privilege, and turn over all the documents relating to the "perfect call", the obstruction charge would be nullified, maybe? And if the Constitution allows a POTUS to do whatever they want without any repercussions, i.e. withhold monies for political gain, what does he have to worry about, the vote to acquit should be unanimous, right?

[jackspratt]

Have no doubt that Trump has exponentially built on the trend (around the world) that the executive branch is no longer answerable to the elected legislature.

More noticeable among right wing governments, and in many cases, exacerbated by the stacking of a sympathetic judiciary.

So, in the case of the USA, fuuck the sacrosanctity of the holy document known as the constitution.

[Kenr6583]

There was a time when all three branches of the government were considered equal, one no more powerful than the other. A lot has changed in three years.

[jackspratt]

No wonder Trump is desperate for Bolton, et al, not to testify before the Senate:

The draft of a book by former US national security adviser John Bolton reportedly describes how Donald Trump told him about his determination to delay US military aid to Ukraine until its government agreed to investigate his Democratic rival Joe Biden.......

......... The account undermines Trump’s claims that the delay in aid to Ukraine last summer and the president’s efforts to persuade Ukraine to investigate US Democrats were unconnected, the New York Times said as part of its article on Sunday night revealing the Bolton manuscript.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ays-report

Well someone's telling porkies ....... is it Trump, is it Bolton, or is it the NYT?

In this case, not too difficult to work that out.

[anefarious1]

BREAKING: Bolton bombshell could bring down the scumbag in the Whitehouse!

[joudon]

I thought the 'scumbag' as you put it, left the Whitehouse after the 2016 presidential election.

[Stantheman]

BREAKING: Bolton bombshell could bring down the scumbag in the Whitehouse!

Bad news, there are not 20 Republican senators with the Balls to convict the Trumpster, even if he commited ANY crime right in front of the whole Senate. Their only concern is re-election, NOT the country!

[joudon]

His name is Trump, or are still living in the school playground?

[jackspratt]

His name is Trump, or are still living in the school playground?

Do you have any capacity to address the actual issues?

[anefarious1]

His name is Trump, or are still living in the school playground?

Kind of ironic that you care about using a proper name when Trump himself publicly mocks people and their names on a REGULAR BASIS. You are against "school playground" talk yet the leader of the free world (whom you apparently support) disgracefully lowers the bar of this high office again and again by doing just that - and nearly each and every day!

[Stantheman]

His name is Trump, or are still living in the school playground?

Kind of ironic that you care about using a proper name when Trump himself publicly mocks people and their names on a REGULAR BASIS. You are against "school playground" talk yet the leader of the free world (whom you apparently support) disgracefully lowers the bar of this high office again and again by doing just that - and nearly each and every day!

Guess some people have selective memory when it comes to the Trumpster, his mouth and tweets.

[TJ]

For those few interested, here is a summary of events and participants leading to the ongoing sham impeachment.

"The Deep State Tapestry of Deceit is Beginning to Unravel

Deep state players in the Obama administration wove an elaborate tapestry of collusion, subterfuge, and electoral chicanery. While better suited for a Robert Ludlum novel, it played out in real time over the past four years.

Stars of the drama include familiar names such as James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, and Andrew McCabe. Supporting actors played an unwitting role, namely Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. The victim was then candidate Donald Trump. Heroes of the saga include Attorney General William Barr, U.S. Attorney John Durham, and a mysterious group simply called Q.

The plot was simple. The Obama administration, in 2016 and before, wanted to preordain the 2016 electoral outcome. What better way to do this than to spy on the rival presidential campaign? Since spying is illegal, a pretense was needed.

That’s where the Steele Dossier came in. The DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and top Obama administration officials colluded with multiple foreign governments to fabricate opposition research on the Trump campaign alleging treasonous activities. This allowed the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, and likely others as well.

The Obama administration colluded with foreign governments to influence an election. How ironic that this is exactly what President Trump was impeached for, and why he is a “dictator” and an “existential threat to democracy”. Can you say projection?

The FISA court granted a Title 1 FISA warrant against Page, reserved for those accused of being “an agent of a foreign power,” one who is “knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities.” Yet Page was never arrested or indicted for his activities. The reality is that he was a CIA asset “engaged in clandestine intelligence activities” not for Russia, but for America, and this minor bit of information was deliberately omitted from his FISA warrant application and three renewals.

The Barr DOJ has been pulling hard enough on this thread that after four years of FBI deceit and abuse of power, the Trump Russia collusion tapestry is unraveling before our very eyes. Like a game of Jenga, where blocks are slowly pulled out without collapsing the entire structure, the latest DOJ revelation is the “keystone” which held the entire charade together.

As the Daily Wire reported last week, “DOJ Rules Comey’s FBI Had ‘Insufficient Predication To Establish Probable Cause’ In FISA Scandal.”

The Department of Justice says that the FBI under disgraced former Director James Comey should have discontinued its secret surveillance on a member of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election because it had “insufficient predication to establish probable cause.”

As Reuters reporter Brad Heath tweeted:

This is a big deal. The Justice Department is conceding that two of the four FISA applications it used to conduct surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page were not lawful, and it’s not defending the legality of its other two applications.

What if the other two of four applications were equally bogus? As the FISA warrant applications were based on the fabricated Steele Dossier, and as the Inspector General discovered 17 specific “inaccuracies and omissions” in the warrant applications, it’s highly probable that the entire effort to spy on Carter Page, and through the “two-hop rule”, everyone in President Trump’s orbit, was a gross and deliberate abuse of power.

Aside from the illegality of deceiving the FISA court, and the seditious efforts to remove a duly elected American president, it blows up all downstream Democrat, media, and deep state efforts to overturn the 2016 election.

There is a legal doctrine called the “fruit of the poisonous tree.” To summarize:

A doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained. As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential "tree" is tainted, so is its "fruit."

What fruit did this poisonous tree bear? Read through dossier and see some familiar names and convictions. As World Net Daily reported:

Axios noted the convictions include former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, Richard Pineda, Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan, former Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Roger Stone.

They all face legal jeopardy or prison due to the Weissman and Mueller cabal, all fruit of the poisonous tree.

No dossier, no special counsel, no Mueller, no witchhunt, and no years of fallout and indictments. Time and money wasted. The accused losing their savings, reputations, and freedom over poisonous accusations. A presidency carrying an albatross of suspected treason.

The entire tree from which Democrats, the media, and NeverTrumpers having been harvesting fruit turns out to be a poisonous tree. The fruit is poisonous and those who ate the fruit are now ill. Is it any wonder President Trump, in interviews and at rallies, repeats the phrase, “These people are sick”? Are they sick as in deranged or sick from eating from the poisonous tree?

Lastly is the issue of intent. As the tapestry unravels, expect to see the guilty plead ignorance, that they were duped, and point their fingers at their coconspirators. What is more likely is that they had full knowledge of what they were doing.

This includes Congressional Democrats and the media, all knowingly perpetuating a falsehood, conspiring to undermine and overthrow a duly elected president.

A few months ago, the enigmatic Q brought up the term “knowingly”. Did those involved “know” their tree was poisonous, yielding poisonous fruit? As the tapestry unravels, this may be the next big reveal.

What does “18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government” say about “knowingly”?

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises… of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States.

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government.

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence.

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

This is gross and deliberate abuse of power, a coup to undermine and remove a duly elected president. All done with intent, knowingly. The fallout is far and wide and all as bogus as the predication of this entire hoax.

Yet the media and their Democrat allies are upset over Trump doing his job investigating corruption, and exercising his prerogative to remove ambassadors, just as Obama did before he even assumed office.

This is what Barr and Durham are investigating, pulling on the thread, unraveling the elaborately constructed tapestry, revealing a group of hateful partisans engaged in a seditious conspiracy to overturn a legitimate government. Hopefully their reckoning awaits. Along with well-deserved pain."

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... ravel.html

[jai yen yen]

For those few interested, here is a summary of events and participants leading to the ongoing sham impeachment.

"The Deep State Tapestry of Deceit is Beginning to Unravel

Deep state players in the Obama administration wove an elaborate tapestry of collusion, subterfuge, and electoral chicanery. While better suited for a Robert Ludlum novel, it played out in real time over the past four years.

Stars of the drama include familiar names such as James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, and Andrew McCabe. Supporting actors played an unwitting role, namely Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. The victim was then candidate Donald Trump. Heroes of the saga include Attorney General William Barr, U.S. Attorney John Durham, and a mysterious group simply called Q.

The plot was simple. The Obama administration, in 2016 and before, wanted to preordain the 2016 electoral outcome. What better way to do this than to spy on the rival presidential campaign? Since spying is illegal, a pretense was needed.

That’s where the Steele Dossier came in. The DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and top Obama administration officials colluded with multiple foreign governments to fabricate opposition research on the Trump campaign alleging treasonous activities. This allowed the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, and likely others as well.

The Obama administration colluded with foreign governments to influence an election. How ironic that this is exactly what President Trump was impeached for, and why he is a “dictator” and an “existential threat to democracy”. Can you say projection?

The FISA court granted a Title 1 FISA warrant against Page, reserved for those accused of being “an agent of a foreign power,” one who is “knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities.” Yet Page was never arrested or indicted for his activities. The reality is that he was a CIA asset “engaged in clandestine intelligence activities” not for Russia, but for America, and this minor bit of information was deliberately omitted from his FISA warrant application and three renewals.

The Barr DOJ has been pulling hard enough on this thread that after four years of FBI deceit and abuse of power, the Trump Russia collusion tapestry is unraveling before our very eyes. Like a game of Jenga, where blocks are slowly pulled out without collapsing the entire structure, the latest DOJ revelation is the “keystone” which held the entire charade together.

As the Daily Wire reported last week, “DOJ Rules Comey’s FBI Had ‘Insufficient Predication To Establish Probable Cause’ In FISA Scandal.”

The Department of Justice says that the FBI under disgraced former Director James Comey should have discontinued its secret surveillance on a member of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election because it had “insufficient predication to establish probable cause.”

As Reuters reporter Brad Heath tweeted:

This is a big deal. The Justice Department is conceding that two of the four FISA applications it used to conduct surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page were not lawful, and it’s not defending the legality of its other two applications.

What if the other two of four applications were equally bogus? As the FISA warrant applications were based on the fabricated Steele Dossier, and as the Inspector General discovered 17 specific “inaccuracies and omissions” in the warrant applications, it’s highly probable that the entire effort to spy on Carter Page, and through the “two-hop rule”, everyone in President Trump’s orbit, was a gross and deliberate abuse of power.

Aside from the illegality of deceiving the FISA court, and the seditious efforts to remove a duly elected American president, it blows up all downstream Democrat, media, and deep state efforts to overturn the 2016 election.

There is a legal doctrine called the “fruit of the poisonous tree.” To summarize:

A doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained. As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential "tree" is tainted, so is its "fruit."

What fruit did this poisonous tree bear? Read through dossier and see some familiar names and convictions. As World Net Daily reported:

Axios noted the convictions include former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, Richard Pineda, Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan, former Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Roger Stone.

They all face legal jeopardy or prison due to the Weissman and Mueller cabal, all fruit of the poisonous tree.

No dossier, no special counsel, no Mueller, no witchhunt, and no years of fallout and indictments. Time and money wasted. The accused losing their savings, reputations, and freedom over poisonous accusations. A presidency carrying an albatross of suspected treason.

The entire tree from which Democrats, the media, and NeverTrumpers having been harvesting fruit turns out to be a poisonous tree. The fruit is poisonous and those who ate the fruit are now ill. Is it any wonder President Trump, in interviews and at rallies, repeats the phrase, “These people are sick”? Are they sick as in deranged or sick from eating from the poisonous tree?

Lastly is the issue of intent. As the tapestry unravels, expect to see the guilty plead ignorance, that they were duped, and point their fingers at their coconspirators. What is more likely is that they had full knowledge of what they were doing.

This includes Congressional Democrats and the media, all knowingly perpetuating a falsehood, conspiring to undermine and overthrow a duly elected president.

A few months ago, the enigmatic Q brought up the term “knowingly”. Did those involved “know” their tree was poisonous, yielding poisonous fruit? As the tapestry unravels, this may be the next big reveal.

What does “18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government” say about “knowingly”?

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises… of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States.

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government.

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence.

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

This is gross and deliberate abuse of power, a coup to undermine and remove a duly elected president. All done with intent, knowingly. The fallout is far and wide and all as bogus as the predication of this entire hoax.

Yet the media and their Democrat allies are upset over Trump doing his job investigating corruption, and exercising his prerogative to remove ambassadors, just as Obama did before he even assumed office.

This is what Barr and Durham are investigating, pulling on the thread, unraveling the elaborately constructed tapestry, revealing a group of hateful partisans engaged in a seditious conspiracy to overturn a legitimate government. Hopefully their reckoning awaits. Along with well-deserved pain."

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... ravel.html

I am not surprised.

[newtovillagelife]

For those few interested, here is a summary of events and participants leading to the ongoing sham impeachment.

"The Deep State Tapestry of Deceit is Beginning to Unravel

Deep state players in the Obama administration wove an elaborate tapestry of collusion, subterfuge, and electoral chicanery. While better suited for a Robert Ludlum novel, it played out in real time over the past four years.

Stars of the drama include familiar names such as James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, and Andrew McCabe. Supporting actors played an unwitting role, namely Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. The victim was then candidate Donald Trump. Heroes of the saga include Attorney General William Barr, U.S. Attorney John Durham, and a mysterious group simply called Q.

The plot was simple. The Obama administration, in 2016 and before, wanted to preordain the 2016 electoral outcome. What better way to do this than to spy on the rival presidential campaign? Since spying is illegal, a pretense was needed.

That’s where the Steele Dossier came in. The DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and top Obama administration officials colluded with multiple foreign governments to fabricate opposition research on the Trump campaign alleging treasonous activities. This allowed the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, and likely others as well.

The Obama administration colluded with foreign governments to influence an election. How ironic that this is exactly what President Trump was impeached for, and why he is a “dictator” and an “existential threat to democracy”. Can you say projection?

The FISA court granted a Title 1 FISA warrant against Page, reserved for those accused of being “an agent of a foreign power,” one who is “knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities.” Yet Page was never arrested or indicted for his activities. The reality is that he was a CIA asset “engaged in clandestine intelligence activities” not for Russia, but for America, and this minor bit of information was deliberately omitted from his FISA warrant application and three renewals.

The Barr DOJ has been pulling hard enough on this thread that after four years of FBI deceit and abuse of power, the Trump Russia collusion tapestry is unraveling before our very eyes. Like a game of Jenga, where blocks are slowly pulled out without collapsing the entire structure, the latest DOJ revelation is the “keystone” which held the entire charade together.

As the Daily Wire reported last week, “DOJ Rules Comey’s FBI Had ‘Insufficient Predication To Establish Probable Cause’ In FISA Scandal.”

The Department of Justice says that the FBI under disgraced former Director James Comey should have discontinued its secret surveillance on a member of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election because it had “insufficient predication to establish probable cause.”

As Reuters reporter Brad Heath tweeted:

This is a big deal. The Justice Department is conceding that two of the four FISA applications it used to conduct surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page were not lawful, and it’s not defending the legality of its other two applications.

What if the other two of four applications were equally bogus? As the FISA warrant applications were based on the fabricated Steele Dossier, and as the Inspector General discovered 17 specific “inaccuracies and omissions” in the warrant applications, it’s highly probable that the entire effort to spy on Carter Page, and through the “two-hop rule”, everyone in President Trump’s orbit, was a gross and deliberate abuse of power.

Aside from the illegality of deceiving the FISA court, and the seditious efforts to remove a duly elected American president, it blows up all downstream Democrat, media, and deep state efforts to overturn the 2016 election.

There is a legal doctrine called the “fruit of the poisonous tree.” To summarize:

A doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained. As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential "tree" is tainted, so is its "fruit."

What fruit did this poisonous tree bear? Read through dossier and see some familiar names and convictions. As World Net Daily reported:

Axios noted the convictions include former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, Richard Pineda, Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan, former Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Roger Stone.

They all face legal jeopardy or prison due to the Weissman and Mueller cabal, all fruit of the poisonous tree.

No dossier, no special counsel, no Mueller, no witchhunt, and no years of fallout and indictments. Time and money wasted. The accused losing their savings, reputations, and freedom over poisonous accusations. A presidency carrying an albatross of suspected treason.

The entire tree from which Democrats, the media, and NeverTrumpers having been harvesting fruit turns out to be a poisonous tree. The fruit is poisonous and those who ate the fruit are now ill. Is it any wonder President Trump, in interviews and at rallies, repeats the phrase, “These people are sick”? Are they sick as in deranged or sick from eating from the poisonous tree?

Lastly is the issue of intent. As the tapestry unravels, expect to see the guilty plead ignorance, that they were duped, and point their fingers at their coconspirators. What is more likely is that they had full knowledge of what they were doing.

This includes Congressional Democrats and the media, all knowingly perpetuating a falsehood, conspiring to undermine and overthrow a duly elected president.

A few months ago, the enigmatic Q brought up the term “knowingly”. Did those involved “know” their tree was poisonous, yielding poisonous fruit? As the tapestry unravels, this may be the next big reveal.

What does “18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government” say about “knowingly”?

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises… of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States.

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government.

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence.

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

This is gross and deliberate abuse of power, a coup to undermine and remove a duly elected president. All done with intent, knowingly. The fallout is far and wide and all as bogus as the predication of this entire hoax.

Yet the media and their Democrat allies are upset over Trump doing his job investigating corruption, and exercising his prerogative to remove ambassadors, just as Obama did before he even assumed office.

This is what Barr and Durham are investigating, pulling on the thread, unraveling the elaborately constructed tapestry, revealing a group of hateful partisans engaged in a seditious conspiracy to overturn a legitimate government. Hopefully their reckoning awaits. Along with well-deserved pain."

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... ravel.html

I am not surprised.

Those of you that believe in the "Deep State"... Do you also believe in Fairies and Unicorns???

[Stantheman]

[Kenr6583]

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That is funny........

[AlexO]

This is gross and deliberate abuse of power, a coup to undermine and remove a duly elected president. All done with intent, knowingly. The fallout is far and wide and all as bogus as the predication of this entire hoax.

Yet the media and their Democrat allies are upset over Trump doing his job investigating corruption, and exercising his prerogative to remove ambassadors, just as Obama did before he even assumed office.

Have not really been following this in any way but if and when Donald is found to have no case to answer what happens to the accusers. Surely malicious and false accusations against the elected POTUS is not just swept under the carpet. These people have actually behaved terribly ever since Donald was elected, almost refusing to accept a democratic vote by USA citizens (much the same as the traitorous Remainer's in the UK) Who is funding this attack on democracy, who is in the background and will they receive the prison sentences this absolute disgrace of national sabotage warrants.

[joudon]

I wonder how many posters will still be laughing after the 2020 POTUS election results

[Kenr6583]

I wonder how many posters will still be laughing after the 2020 POTUS election results

Get over yourself. I know he's getting re-elected. But we will see who is laughing when he starts attempting to cut social security, Medicare, and any other benefits that we have paid into.

[jackspratt]

Well this is getting a bit more complicated for the Bloated Orange Bullshiiter - god bless John Bolton.

......Shortly after the defence wrapped up today, reports emerged that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell privately told Republicans he didn't think he'd have the votes to block a resolution allowing witness testimony.

Demand for witness testimony started ramping up as Mr Bolton's allegations leaked yesterday. One senator suggested as many as 10 Republicans would vote to hear from the former national security advisor......

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-29/ ... s/11909376

For those who believe this process is "an abuse of power" and a "coup", you are effectively agreeing that it is OK for the POTUS to use government money to blackmail/bribe a foreign power to bring down your political opponent in an election environment.