Housing Estate Maintenance Fees

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Housing Estate Maintenance Fees

Post by Charlieb » November 20, 2019, 2:52 pm

What are legal ramifications if you do not pay the imposed maintenance fees of a housing estate?

It irritates me that we pay our fees as required by the estate but there are many families that pay nothing! My wife bugs me all the time about why we are paying but her friends are not.

I know in the US that a housing estate can take someone’s house if fee remain unpaid for a long time.

Is there a similar Thai law? I have see info on the web about condo feesbut cannot find much about housing estate fees.



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Post by minimiglia » November 20, 2019, 4:52 pm

They will never be able to sell with unpaid estate fees, it will be deducted at the land office if sold

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Post by Charlieb » November 20, 2019, 7:41 pm

So, if they don’t sell they never have to pay? Puts a hell of a burden of those that do pay since the cost of total maintenance must be paid. If only half of the residents pay, they are paying double to cover those that do not pay.

Can those of you living in estate communities tell what your fees are?

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Post by stattointhailand » November 20, 2019, 7:51 pm

I've paid "bugger all" for the last 15 years ........ although we do pay B240 for refuse collection service a year and about once a year we get asked for B100 towards someone cutting grass etc, but this is offset by the "donation" my misses gets before each election to vote one way or another. Got told by power co a few years back that it would cost about B2000 to get a street light fixed ..... told him where to put his florescent tube, and they came and fixed it anyway a few days later for free

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Post by GT93 » November 21, 2019, 6:20 am

I heard some years ago one of our neighbours paid to get a street light fixed or even installed. I'm not sure if we chipped in. If I had been asked I would have said yes. I'm going to look into whether we have some outstanding fees. I now expect we might. I'll be cursing if it's 20,000 baht or something similar.

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Re: Housing Estate Maintenance Fees

Post by tamada » November 24, 2019, 11:12 am

My dabbling with village associations is limited to home rental in relatively new villages around Pattaya. We had a situation in one village where some residents weren't contributing and garbage collection was 'adjusted' to clearly show those who weren't! The newly formed association had been actively trying to get all parties to sign up since their inception but after a major, free security upgrade with automatic gate pass cards and guards that stopped and checked all cars, they got heavy with the perpetual freeloaders. Some were happy to move their own trash but most had real issues when they either couldn't get a gate card or theirs stopped working. Saw some otherwise fine looking people is fine looking BMW's getting very angry and rude with security guards. Luckily, our landlord was married to a Danish guy and the rental brokered through an excellent, small Thai realtor. When our first garbage collection was missed, I messaged the agent who contacted the landlord (in Denmark) who provided the documentary proof of what they had agreed to and paid for when they bought the place. The agent copied this to the association, books amended and garbage collection was restored. Mrs tam got a free gift pack of Nescafe red cup from the agent!

My understanding is that until a project/village is 100% sold, the developer is still responsible for the upkeep of the common spaces and facilities either free of charge or at a low, nominal rate as agreed in the sales agreement. Once it's fully subscribed, the owner assists with the formation of the 'homeowners association' but it is that association that is tasked with getting all homeowners onboard with all bills paid and complying with the new articles of association. The issues arise with older developments where some properties may have already changed ownership during the pre-association years or they are rented out either by the property owner, or the developer or agents thereof and nobody knows the real legal status of any claims for any payments or the providence of any accounts. Others may have never been made aware of their formal obligations as a homeowner and get a strop on when hit with demands for back payments. I mean SOMEONE was paying for your rubbish to be removed these past 8 or 10 years, no?

As a footnote, I heard that it was common practice for developers to retain 100% ownership of any pool and clubhouse facilities even after the development topped out. Thus they have a revenue stream from what is assumed the highest-use facility as landlords for any snack shops or restaurants adjoining the pool as well as dictating public access and charging for it. Or they charge the association a set 'rental' fee that the association offsets by being allowed to sublet facilities and charge for access. Depending on the developer, some pools remain well maintained, clean and usable but it's not unknown that when a major repair is needed, say a new pool pump, the pool can quickly spiral into lack of use and further disrepair.

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Re: Housing Estate Maintenance Fees

Post by glalt » November 24, 2019, 1:33 pm

I think it's similar to a condo. You need to research what you are getting into before you make a decision. The condo association where I bought is comprised of owners and not some crooked company hired to take care of things.

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Post by FrazeeDK » November 24, 2019, 7:42 pm

well, there's the Kreng Jai thing where those running the Associations aren't going to confront those that don't pay the fees. Easier to just dun those that are honest and pay on time... Actually no different from what I experienced in the States in Florida.. The Condo development where I rented had a helluva time getting people to pay their Condo monthly maintenance fees. Taking legal action was too costly so, they just jacked up the fees on those that did pay... I can't imagine a Homeowners Association board striding around the development beating on doors to get that money.. There would have to be something as mentioned where you can take something away, be it trash collection or even better the denied access at the gate... That is a true attention getter.
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