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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by TJ » October 9, 2019, 5:14 am

Children are commonly used to serve propaganda agendas. Nothing new to see here.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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TJ wrote:
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Children are commonly used to serve propaganda agendas. Nothing new to see here.
I believe St. Greta and her band of kool aid drinking juvenile followers would tell you, "How Dare You!"
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I saw an article yesterday where indigenous activists are attacking St. Greta. They claim that St. Greta is only getting attention because she is white and proof that white supremacy and white privilege exits.

When LIBs start to eat their own using their own made up talking points and terms, it's fun to watch.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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TJ wrote:
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Children are commonly used to serve propaganda agendas. Nothing new to see here.
Congratulations, TJ - you have joined a pretty "select" group. :(

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » October 9, 2019, 9:35 am

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And it's not just Nazis.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Yep - he's in select company.


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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » October 9, 2019, 10:17 am

jackspratt wrote: . . .
Forced to agree.
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Glad that's settled.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by TJ » October 9, 2019, 7:17 pm

Now, this is interesting, if accurate.

OPINIONFLASHBACK: In 2004, The U.S. Senate Was Warned That Climate Change is a Hoax

...there is a fatal flaw in the climate change alarmism. Actually there are many fatal flaws. But there is one that anyone can understand. It cannot be cured by the alarmists.

We actually do not know how much carbon dioxide was in Earth’s atmosphere prior to the 1930s. Devices to reliably measure carbon dioxide in the air went through painstaking, slow, bumpy development. Instruments did not really come into their own until around 1930.

Because we don’t know the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, climate change proponents depend upon unreliable “proxies.” They substitute gas pockets retrieved from ice core samples from deep within ancient glaciers. They hope this will tell us Earth’s ancient atmosphere and the concentration of CO2 in the air.

Speculation that air pockets remain exactly the same over hundreds to millions of years has never been tested. And what is the margin of error of an ice core sample?

Arguing that A causes B requires measurements with a known margin of error. We can’t model a phenomenon in inches if the data was measured in miles. Proxy measurements from ice core air samples cannot prove global warming caused by carbon dioxide. The margins of error are too wide and highly unpredictable.

In 2004 the U.S. Senate was fully briefed on the falsehood of man-made global warming. The U.S. Government clearly knows that we cannot measure carbon dioxide earlier than 1900 to 1930.

Prof. Zbigniew Jaworowski testified before the U.S. Senate on March 13, 2004:

Improper manipulation of data, and arbitrary rejection of readings that do not fit the pre-conceived idea on man-made global warming is common in many glaciological studies of greenhouse gases. In peer reviewed publications I exposed this misuse of science.

The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and on projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2 in the pre-industrial atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological studies, is false. Therefore IPCC projections should not be used for national and global economic planning.

Prof. Zbigniew Jaworowski. Chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland, Statement before the US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, March 19, 2004

Prof. Zbigniew Jaworowski explained his qualifications to the Senate:

For the past 40 years I was involved in glacier studies, using snow and ice as a matrix for reconstruction of history of man-made pollution of the global atmosphere. A part of these studies was related to the climatic issues.

Ice core records of CO2 have been widely used as a proof that, due to man’s activity the current atmospheric level of CO2 is about 25% higher than in the pre-industrial period. These records became the basic input parameters in the models of the global carbon cycle and a cornerstone of the man-made climatic warming hypothesis.

These records do not represent the atmospheric reality, as I will try to demonstrate in my statement.

In order to study the history of industrial pollution of the global atmosphere, between 1972 and 1980, I organized 11 glacier expeditions, which measured natural and man-made pollutants in contemporary and ancient precipitation, preserved in 17 glaciers in Arctic, Antarctic, Alaska, Norway, the Alps, the Himalayas, the Ruwenzori Mountains in Uganda, the Peruvian Andes and in Tatra Mountains in Poland.

In the 1990s I was working in the Norwegian Polar Research Institute in Oslo, and in the Japanese National Institute of Polar Research in Tokyo. In this period I studied the effects of climatic change on polar regions, and the reliability of glacier studies for estimation of CO2 concentration in the ancient atmosphere.

Prof. Jaworowski explained why chemistry, including intense pressure under the weight of layers of glacial ice, change the air sample from its original composition:

More than 20 physico-chemical processes, mostly related to the presence of liquid water, contribute to the alteration of the original chemical composition of the air inclusions in polar ice.

One of these processes is formation of gas hydrates or clathrates. In the highly compressed deep ice all air bubbles disappear, as under the influence of pressure the gases change into the solid clathrates, which are tiny crystals formed by interaction of gas with water molecules. Drilling decompresses cores excavated from deep ice, and contaminates them with the drilling fluid filling the borehole.

* * * After decompression of the ice cores, the solid clathrates decompose into a gas form, exploding in the process as if they were microscopic grenades. In the bubble-free ice the explosions form a new gas cavities and new cracks. Through these cracks, and cracks formed by sheeting, a part of gas escapes first into the drilling liquid which fills the borehole, and then at the surface to the atmospheric air.

* * * This leads to depletion of CO2 in the gas trapped in the ice sheets. This is why the records of CO2 concentration in the gas inclusions from deep polar ice show the values lower than in the contemporary atmosphere, even for the epochs when the global surface temperature was higher than now.

Similarly, the ice is “contaminated” with algae and microbes. “Bacteria form in the ice releasing gases even in 500,000-year-old ice at great depth. Brent C. Christner, “Detection, Recovery, Isolation and Characterization of Bacteria in Glacial Ice and Lake Vostok Accretion Ice,” Dissertation. Ohio State University, 2002.

To use ice core samples as a measurement for Earth’s ancient atmosphere, we would have to to measure a known sample within ice layers, wait a million years, and then come back a million years later and re-test the air pocket. It is unlikely that the gas sample will remained unchanged. That would be the kind of real science that the protesting students could have learned had they stayed in school.

As one scientist put it: “The hypothesis that global warming and climate change are due to human addition of carbon dioxide (CO2) to the atmosphere became fact before research had even begun.” (Emphasis in the original.) Dr Timothy Ball, Measurement of Pre-Industrial CO2 Levels, Friends of Science, November 2008.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » October 10, 2019, 12:02 pm

TJ wrote:
October 9, 2019, 7:17 pm
Now, this is interesting, if accurate.

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...there is a fatal flaw in the climate change alarmism. Actually there are many fatal flaws. But there is one that anyone can understand. It cannot be cured by the alarmists.

We actually do not know how much carbon dioxide was in Earth’s atmosphere prior to the 1930s. Devices to reliably measure carbon dioxide in the air went through painstaking, slow, bumpy development. Instruments did not really come into their own until around 1930.

Because we don’t know the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, climate change proponents depend upon unreliable “proxies.” They substitute gas pockets retrieved from ice core samples from deep within ancient glaciers. They hope this will tell us Earth’s ancient atmosphere and the concentration of CO2 in the air.

Speculation that air pockets remain exactly the same over hundreds to millions of years has never been tested. And what is the margin of error of an ice core sample?

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Excellent find, TJ.

Just another example in a long line of "problems" with believer data.

Have you ever wondered why their "mistakes" are almost always in the direction that helps and exaggerates their claims? That's a rhetorical question.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Yes, if you question the believers, you are only clouding the issue. 555
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » October 10, 2019, 7:40 pm

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Yes, if you question the believers, you are only clouding the issue. 555
Oy, what nonsense. To address as many points in this video as I can remember....

1) the video is short on facts, and long on terroristic claims of financial ruin, citing statistics and allegations only of climate deniers.

2) Sure, as the film said, carbon dioxide is exhaled by humans. That's not the problem. It's the hugely increased amount which is produced by fossil fuel burning processes that's the problem.

3) Yes, carbon is a naturally occurring element. "Carbon neutrality" is shorthand for carbon emission neutrality. No one is trying to reduce the amount of elemental carbon. :roll:

4) "Friends of Science," the organization responsible for this video, is dedicated to convincing people that there is no human affect on the climate. As they say on their website, "It is our opinion that the Sun is the main direct and indirect driver of climate change."

5) Dr. Benny Peiser, seen in the video talking about the financial ruin brought about by climate change advocates, is the Director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, what people here would call a "climate denial" group. The group is dedicated to proving,alternately, or perhaps simultaneously, it's not clear from their website, that there has been no change in the climate, or that climate change is due to natural, non-human factors, like a large asteroid hitting the earth 12,800 years ago.

6) As further evidence of the lack of global warming, the narrator in the video cited that it was very cold on the day she made the video. One day? One data point? Hardly evidence of a long term trend. Apparently she doesn't understand statistics.

7) The video blames the current EU financial crisis solely on measures taken by governments to reduce climate change. So but for climate change advocates and actions, there would be no financial crisis in the EU? I bet that there are some finance ministers who would love to learn how easy it would be for them to solve their financial issues. Let's start with Greece!

Ugh. There's 15 minutes that I'll never get back.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by TJ » October 14, 2019, 12:52 am

The AGW politicians control the mass media and the IT giants suppress news that contradicts many alarmist claims. However the weather can not be controlled. Here is an example of current cold records that you will never read about.

"Just Count the Cold Records that fell over the Past 24 Hours!

NOAA won’t want to hear it –I have doubts they’ll even log it — but buckets of low temperature records have tumbled across the United States over the past 24 hours.

According to ‘unofficial’ data compiled by coolwx.com, a plague of new all-time cold records spread across Western & Central U.S. on Friday, October 11. An embarrassment of riches for the cold hunters, almost as embarrassing as that paltry handful of heat records which fell in the Southeast:"

https://electroverse.net/just-count-the ... -24-hours/

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