Will the EU succeed or fail?

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Bonanza » April 13, 2019, 7:03 am

You must understand that this is not immigration, but freedom of movement between all EU countries for work purposes. :D All EU citizens have equal rights to this freedom :D So, the idealogues of greater Europe see it as perfectly fair that 7 British nationals have moved to Rumania and 270,000 Rumanians have moved to UK :shock: Do you wonder that some of the Brits don't feel comfortable with this?

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » April 13, 2019, 7:14 am

papafarang wrote:
April 13, 2019, 6:46 am
Source: The Sun your credibility just took a nose drive even further
The only thing that takes a nose dive is Demos and Sky News IF their data is a lie. The Sun only reported the results.

Sources are provided so that readers are able to read and see all the details for themselves. Looks like someone didn't bother to read and follow up, but I fully understand the emotional investment involved in the framing of your criticism.

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Post by Lone Star » April 13, 2019, 7:16 am



Hungary: Migration is not a right
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Post by GT93 » April 14, 2019, 4:17 am

The EU doesn't seem to have the problem the Americans currently have with treason. Trump thinks there's an epidemic of treason being committed in the US:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 858fd0f9de

Of course, it might just be more bollocks from Trump.

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Post by papafarang » April 14, 2019, 10:48 am

Lone Star wrote:
April 13, 2019, 7:14 am
papafarang wrote:
April 13, 2019, 6:46 am
Source: The Sun your credibility just took a nose drive even further
The only thing that takes a nose dive is Demos and Sky News IF their data is a lie. The Sun only reported the results.

Sources are provided so that readers are able to read and see all the details for themselves. Looks like someone didn't bother to read and follow up, but I fully understand the emotional investment involved in the framing of your criticism.

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by BillaRickaDickay » April 14, 2019, 11:09 am

The Sun? Linda Lusadi, Samantha Fox, those were the days...........
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Post by Doodoo » April 14, 2019, 11:16 am

Papafarang

"i'm guessing you have no idea what the Sun gossip tabloid is then , it used to be handy for wiping your ass until toilet paper was cheap enough, and after all you did quote The Sun "

You have to give The Lad a chance as he is delving into unchartered waters He is commenting on another culture and not the gun toting, burn the wagons, shoot first ask questions later , we will be the best (or at least we will think we are),
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by Lone Star » April 15, 2019, 8:51 am

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Germans Likely to be Victims of Migrants

Source: Die Walt

Police records indicate that serious crimes being committed by migrants is at a ratio of 1 in 10. Murder, sex attacks, assaults and robberies ...

In 2018, authorities witnessed a 105% increase in year-over-year crime by migrants.

Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA):
... in the area of murder and manslaughter, 230 Germans fell victim to a criminal offence in which at least one suspected immigrant was involved.

In the area of offences against sexual self-determination, 3,261 Germans became a victim of criminal offences with at least one suspected immigrant and thus 21 percent more than in the previous year.
Berlin and Munich have reported that nearly half of all crimes are being committed by migrants.

It is astounding that this information is seeing the light of day, since Germany does all it can to hide any facts that would show migrants in a bad light.
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Post by Zico » April 16, 2019, 12:02 pm

Lone Star wrote:
April 15, 2019, 8:51 am
It is astounding that this information is seeing the light of day, since Germany does all it can to hide any facts that would show migrants in a bad light.
Unbelievable even.

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Post by Doodoo » April 16, 2019, 1:58 pm

" in the area of murder and manslaughter, 230 Germans fell victim to a criminal offence in which at least one suspected immigrant was involved."
Yes we have a whooping 0.4% So what are you telling me with this information? Germans are worse than immigrants at murders and manslaughters? You data for what you are concerned about is backwards.

“in the area of murder and manslaughter, 230 Germans fell victim to a criminal offence in which at least one suspected immigrant was involved” — a 105 percent increase from 2017."

If there was ONE IMMIGRANT involved in a criminal offence and over the year how did we had a 105% increase. That means last year we had negative number of immigrants involved in crimes, I am guessing unless people are using New Math.

Your numbers are not justifying your article

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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by saint » April 16, 2019, 2:19 pm

Is it just me , but i read it that there were 230 attacks , each of which had an involvement of at least one immigrant .
So at least 230 migrants involved in 230 attacks . So the Math or Maths even , do in fact add up .

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Post by Doodoo » April 16, 2019, 2:36 pm

AH thanks Saint

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Post by Lone Star » April 17, 2019, 8:07 am

saint wrote:
April 16, 2019, 2:19 pm
Is it just me , but i read it that there were 230 attacks , each of which had an involvement of at least one immigrant .
So at least 230 migrants involved in 230 attacks . So the Math or Maths even , do in fact add up .
Yes, the numbers do, in fact, add up. You are absolutely correct.

Someone with very poor reading comprehension and very strong visceral ties to my posts, combined two separate statistics that were not about all of the same data, which created their own confusion.

The statement below, as it originally appeared, covers ALL crimes.
In 2018, authorities witnessed a 105% increase in year-over-year crime by migrants.
The data regarding 230 Germans falling victim to at least one suspected immigrant was only a reference to the crimes of murder and manslaughter.

It could not be any more obvious to a clear-thinking, rational and calm individual, but the emotional investment that some have invested causes them to enter a frenzied state in their effort to play gotcha. It causes them to make numerous reading mistakes that result in poor judgment.
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Post by Lone Star » April 17, 2019, 8:26 am

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The EU is not ready to deal with Russian influence in its elections

Source: CNBC
The European Union is having a hard job building a sufficient firewall when it comes to election interference, experts have told CNBC.

The European Parliament — the EU’s legislative arm — has launched a campaign to tackle online disinformation ahead of its elections in May. But there are certain loopholes that mean there could still be outside influence in the vote.

“Russia will attempt to influence the parliamentary elections using its usual tool kit, including targeted propaganda, and the stealing and leaking of information,” Andrew Foxall, director of the Russia and Eurasia studies at the Henry Jackson Society, told CNBC via email.

He added that there are a number of steps that European institutions should take to prevent such influence. EU countries could share information with each other on “fake news” stories or disinformation; make public any influence attempts — whether from Russia or elsewhere; pledge not to use stolen data in their campaigns and make campaign financing more transparent, Foxall said.
Yes, the EU learned a Hillary Lesson. Get out ahead of a bad election result and claim Russia hacked it before it ever happens. 55555
The Russian government was not immediately available for comment when contacted by CNBC.

Almost all European populist parties have direct ties to Russia, although this is most often through individual connections rather than institutional ones.

Campaign financing is another sensitive topic in Europe. There is no common European rule for party funding; instead, parties in certain jurisdictions must comply with their country’s own rules.

”(European) leaders have thus far failed to address a major vulnerability, namely that foreign money can flow unimpeded into campaigns in a number of member states,” Kristine Berzina, a senior fellow at the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a national security advocacy group, said in an article last October.

According to the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance, four out of the 28 European countries do not have any restrictions on foreign donations to political parties. They are Belgium, Denmark, Italy and the Netherlands. This means that, for example, an Italian political party could receive funding from a third country, without it being illegal.

Eleven other countries have partial restrictions to foreign donations. And only 13 have full bans in place.

A spokesperson for the European Parliament told CNBC that the institution contributes to the funding of European political parties through its budget. Up to 85% of party expenditure is reimbursable from the European Parliament , while the rest should be covered by the party’s own resources.

However, the same spokesperson also said that funding rules for national political parties are outside the European Parliament’s remit and as such cannot comment on the matter.

European citizens vote on national parties to represent them at the European Parliament. Those elected then decide which European political group they want to be a part of. According to the spokesperson, there is funding for the latter, but no oversight on funding at the national level.

Russian links to European parties
European officials are paying particular attention toward Russia, given the conclusion from U.S. intelligence agencies that the Kremlin did interfere in the U.S. 2016 presidential election.

Marine Le Pen’s nationalist party, recently renamed National Rally, found itself strapped for cash back in 2014, as none of the French banks wanted to provide it with any loans. But through one of its party members, Jean-Luc Schaffhauser, who had links to the Russian government, Le Pen’s party obtained funds from a Russian-based bank, according to the Washington Post. Marine Le Pen has previously denied she has been influenced by Russian money.

Furthermore, a former Le Pen advisor, who is currently member of the European Parliament, hired the daughter of President Vladimir Putin’s spokesperson, raising some concern along the corridors of the Brussels institution.

There have been other episodes showing apparent Russian links with European nationalist parties. Panos Kammenos, the leader of Greece’s right-wing nationalist party has often been photographed alongside Russian officials in Moscow. A spokesperson for his Independent Greeks party wasn’t immediately available for comment when contacted by CNBC.

Media reports, unverified by CNBC, have also suggested that Italy’s Lega, led by Matteo Salvini, sought funding from Russia via a petroleum export deal involving a firm close to the Kremlin. The party has denied the accusations.

“Almost all European populist parties have direct ties to Russia, although this is most often through individual connections rather than institutional ones,” Foxall told CNBC via email.
That's a good idea. Try to plant the idea that those evil populists and nationalists are going to be influenced by evil Russians. 555

Why in the world would a nationalist, who loves their country and wants autonomy and sovereignty, allow themselves to sabotage their country with Russian influence? Only an illogical LIB could come up with something like that.
“These are people who, for example, accept invitations to travel to Moscow or visit illegally-occupied Crimea, both of which are paid for by the Russian state. These same people would also be courted in their home countries by Russian diplomats and intelligence officers,” he added.

Salvini’s Lega is a member of a club for European nationalists, called The Movement. This group was founded by Steve Bannon, the political strategist who previously worked for President Donald Trump, and by a nationalist Belgian politician called Mischael Modrikamen.

When asked about his links to Russia, Modrikamen told CNBC last month: “I was invited a few years ago to Moscow, visited the Parliament, the Duma and so on.” He also said that he had been invited to some events at the Russian embassy in Belgium, but has no relationship with the country apart from that.

How could Europe be targeted?
“What policymakers should be concerned about is actions by the Russian government to undermine democracy, gain economic leverage that can be used to further its broader foreign policy goals, or interfere in countries’ domestic democratic political processes,” Joshua Kirschenbaum, senior fellow at the Alliance for Securing Democracy, told CNBC.

“The Russian uses opaque financial channels and strategic investments in furtherance of these aims, and in so doing it often exports corruption and criminality,” he also said.

If there is [a nation] somewhere whose main political priority is to disintegrate Europe, this certainly is Russia.

Russia is key for the EU given that it shares a border with some member nations. Former Soviet states in this region, like Estonia, have embraced the West with membership of institutions like NATO. But this has enraged Moscow, especially when it hosts U.S. troops for joint military exercises. The EU’s strained relationship with Russia became more acute in 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea which has led to ongoing sanctions against Moscow.

“The strength of Russia’s approach is that it doesn’t use the same tools everywhere. Instead, its tools differ depending on the country it is targeting. What the Kremlin does in, say Greece, is different to what it does in Ireland, but all of these activities are still part of the same tool kit,” Foxall, from the Henry Jackson Society, also said.

Gabriele Zimmer, a left-wing member of the European Parliament told CNBC earlier this month that the EU must defend itself.

“The main point should be: We should stand for ourselves and our countries … And to say the Russians are interfering, it is the same as saying Trump and his friends are also interfering,” she said, suggesting that there is no better or worse interference from outside.
What does this all reveal? Still a mess.
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Re: Will the EU succeed or fail?

Post by GT93 » April 17, 2019, 2:13 pm

Too long. I can't be arsed reading that much.

If you paste in less people might have a better crack at it. Just a suggestion.

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