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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 19, 2019, 5:59 am

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Globalist Believers Strike Again -- Rewriting History

Source: Twitter

Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace, has been "edited out" by Globalist Leftist Believer Google. It's just a coincidence that Moore is no longer a believer and no longer considers CO2 to be an alarming threat.

Moore's tweet:
Oh my! @Google has removed my photo and name from the "Founders of @Greenpeace". It was still there 2 days ago but now I am erased. Tech Tyranny!!
Just one more incident in a long line of MANIPULATION by believers. It's no wonder that their membership has become stagnant and/or falling. They cannot be trusted.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 19, 2019, 6:15 am

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Recycling in Cities is Being Discontinued

Source: NY Times

Too expensive for the cost benefit.
Recycling, for decades an almost reflexive effort by American households and businesses to reduce waste and help the environment, is collapsing in many parts of the country.

Philadelphia is now burning about half of its 1.5 million residents’ recycling material in an incinerator that converts waste to energy. In Memphis, the international airport still has recycling bins around the terminals, but every collected can, bottle and newspaper is sent to a landfill. And last month, officials in the central Florida city of Deltona faced the reality that, despite their best efforts to recycle, their curbside program was not working and suspended it.

Those are just three of the hundreds of towns and cities across the country that have canceled recycling programs, limited the types of material they accepted or agreed to huge price increases.
Oh well. I guess that's another too expensive fix.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » March 19, 2019, 12:17 pm

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March 19, 2019, 6:15 am
Recycling in Cities is Being DiscontinuedSource: NY Times

Too expensive for the cost benefit.
Philadelphia is now burning about half of its 1.5 million residents’ recycling material in an incinerator that converts waste to energy.

Those are just three of the hundreds of towns and cities across the country that have canceled recycling programs, limited the types of material they accepted or agreed to huge price increases.
Well, first, burning waste to convert it to energy is recycling, isn't it?

Second, OK, let's accept that hundreds of cities and towns are discontinuing their recycling programs, and for a variety of reasons. That would be a relevant statistic if 1) we knew the reasons, and 2) we also knew how many had started new ones or renewed existing ones in the same period of time. Otherwise, it's pretty much meaningless as a standalone statistic, and is indicative of little to nothing. I mean, suppose that 500 hundred cities and towns discontinued programs, but 5,000 started new ones in the same period of time. The context gives it a different slant, no?

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Too expensive for the cost benefit stated in the NYT article.

Whatever the reason, it's no longer a priority, or they would "continue it for the children." That always seems to be the LIB default position.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 27, 2019, 6:22 am

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Another unexplained event of nature doing what nature does.

And another conflict with models . . .

Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientist Jason Box has acknowledged that the Jakobshavn glacier is now GROWING at the same rate that it was previously shrinking.

Now the believers say that it's not going as fast as they thought, but it's still going -- even though it is growing. The believers also say that it's probably temporary. Probably.

In 2017, there was a study that showed non-polar glaciers were stable or growing.

Believers are their own worst enemies -- kinda like Democrats. Climate models actually have proven how little is known about what's going on.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 10, 2019, 7:12 am

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Believer's Data Brings Their Claims Into Question

ThinkProgress, a far Left coven of believers and scientists, has revealed new historical information that shows that current levels of CO2 were present over 2 million years ago.
Current CO2 levels of 410 parts per million (ppm) were last seen on Earth three million years ago, according to the most detailed reconstruction of the Earth’s climate by researchers at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and published in Science Advances.
There were no cars or trains or planes or industrial factories or coal or oil or gas or plastic or electricity or all of the other evils feared by believers. Were there even any humans walking the earth that long ago?

I thought most of this warming was the fault of human activity. I thought that past climate cycles didn't matter. Only the data of believers matter. And ignore the fact that the Ice Age occurred far in advance of Industrialization.

The same study:
... there were no ice sheets covering either Greenland or West Antarctica, and much of the East Antarctic ice sheet was gone.

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Temperatures were up to 7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer globally, at least double that at the poles, and sea levels were some 20 meters (65 feet) higher.
ThinkProgress then debunks Oc-Co Loco's claim that the world ends in 12 years:
The good news is that the Earth does not warm instantly, and mile-thick ice sheets melt even more slowly. So the temperature rise will take several decades, and tens of feet of sea level rise will take hundreds and hundreds of years.
And then they play GET TRUMP:
Even worse, the climate policy agenda President Donald Trump is pushing — actions that include rolling back U.S. laws that reduce carbon pollution and abandoning the Paris climate agreement — would lock us in to such high CO2 levels, sea levels would rise a foot per decade in just a few decades.
It's like I have said all along. Tell me how you will slow, stop, reverse what believers claim is MMCC. They can't.

The Earth has climate cycles that are uncontrollable by Man.

So you see, these believers tell us that their data shows that the planet was a full 7 degrees warmer than it is now (along with other conflicting information).

In summary, the climate does what it wants to do.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by rick » April 11, 2019, 11:03 am

Cherry picking again. Yes, there are climatic cycles. But the last time we had co2 levels over 400 ppm was about 3 million years ago, and since then it has been much lower and we have been through dozens of glacial cycles. Fact - you can match rising co2 levels to emissions caused by humans. We are in uncharted territory in our species lifetime.
Of cjourse the world isn't going to end. But we are probably going to face the biggest environmental changes our species have ever experienced.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Doodoo » April 11, 2019, 11:10 am

"I thought most of this warming was the fault of human activity. I thought that past climate cycles didn't matter. "

There ya go again thinking!!!


"It's like I have said all along. Tell me how you will slow, stop, reverse what believers claim is MMCC. They can't."
People do supply information and not being a Enviromental Scientist myself I have to believe them and try and help the cause. If someone doesnt want to list so be it.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 12, 2019, 6:03 am

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Canada's Climate Barbie Back In The News

Source: Twitter

This poor child. She can't get out of her own way.
The science is clear. Canada is warming faster than the rest of the world from human-caused climate change.
They always say that: "The science is clear." But it's not clear -- other than the fact that climate changes.

Catherine McKenna is Canada's Minister of Environment and Climate Change -- affectionately known as "Climate Barbie." She's a ditz.

In the typical socialist picking-winners-and-losers methodology, McKenna awarded a private company $12 million for energy-efficient refrigerators. That private company has net earnings of close to $1 billion annually and have recently been involved in a price-fixing scandal they admitted to perpetrating. They also owe back taxes. This had made Canadians a bit angry.

She also tries desperately to conflate air pollution with CO2 levels. They are unrelated.

Just another glitch in the mission of believers.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Doodoo » April 12, 2019, 9:32 am

Now its Canada. Meddling in another countries business while you haven't cleaning up the backyard in the US

Now if you want to take a piece of history regarding climate change and air pollution You can look up the acid rain affair from when the US had loads of coal burning steel mills on the east coast and with the predominant winds going form their to the forest/lake areas of Canada/USA they poisoned hundreds of lakes to the point no fish could survive due to the lower ph levels of the water
So there was a situation, manmade that was identified and changed for the better Manmade Pollution creating a change of the climate and treated
"The science is clear." But it's not clear -- other than the fact that climate changes." It was clear and yes the climate changed for the worst and was fixed

From 1983 "The Canadian Government has argued in recent years that the breadth of acid-rain pollution demanded urgent action, but the Reagan Administration has maintained that there is insufficient evidence to tie the death of lakes to the flow of pollutants from industrial plants."

In summarizing work on the USA first in cleaning up before going to the neighbors to complain

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 14, 2019, 6:13 am

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Another Alarmist Prediction That Didn't Happen

Source: John Kerry, Obama's Secretary of State

Other than Algore, John Kerry is probably at least a close second in being WRONG about mmcc.

Kerry spent quite a bit of time as Obama's head of the State Department spreading the mmcc propaganda. He called for raising taxes, sacrificing liberty to his big government and believing him no matter what to help save the Earth.

Like Oc-Co Loco claims that migrants are migrating because of mmcc, Kerry made the claim that mmcc caused the civil war in Syria. Kerry also blamed mmcc on ISIS forming and the flood of Muslims into the EU.

When John "Lurch" Kerry was in the US Senate, he predicted in 2009 that mmcc would cause the Arctic to be completely melted by 2013. And he quoted SCIENCE on this prediction. Kerry lambasted a fellow senator for being wrong on his contrary view to mmcc.

Kerry:
I wish he were really up to state-of-the-art with respect to the science on global climate change.

You have sea ice, which is melting at a rate that the Arctic Ocean now increasingly is exposed. In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer.

That exposes more ocean to sunlight. Ocean is dark. It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of the melting and warming, rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.
We are now almost a full 6 years PAST the summer of 2013, and science professor Kerry was not just wrong, but DAMN WRONG.

Another climate alarmist prediction that didn't happen. Thank God that the US Senate didn't tax Americans more for this foolishness.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Udon Map » April 15, 2019, 9:37 pm

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When John "Lurch" Kerry was in the US Senate, he predicted in 2009 that mmcc would cause the Arctic to be completely melted by 2013. And he quoted SCIENCE on this prediction. Kerry lambasted a fellow senator for being wrong on his contrary view to mmcc.

Kerry:
I wish he were really up to state-of-the-art with respect to the science on global climate change.

You have sea ice, which is melting at a rate that the Arctic Ocean now increasingly is exposed. In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer.

That exposes more ocean to sunlight. Ocean is dark. It consumes more of the heat from the sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of the melting and warming, rather than the ice sheet and the snow that used to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.
We are now almost a full 6 years PAST the summer of 2013, and science professor Kerry was not just wrong, but DAMN WRONG.
Well, assuming that the Kerry quote is accurate (you didn't provide a source), it wasn't quite right; but he had the right idea. It's pretty much undisputed (photographic evidence is widely available on the internet) that there's much less ice in the Arctic now than there was, say, 20 years ago. So while there is still ice, the reduction is startling when you look at comparison satellite photos of then and now.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 16, 2019, 5:39 am

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Well, assuming that the Kerry quote is accurate (you didn't provide a source) ...
Comments made on the floor of the US Senate during debate are in the US Senate record.

https://www.senate.gov/
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » April 23, 2019, 7:37 am

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Electric Cars have more CO2 and ICE vehicles

Source: Journal of Industrial Technology

The bad news for believers continues to mount. There never seems to be any breakthrough news about how believers will slow, stop or reverse what they claim is mmcc. The news is always that there is one more issue with their belief system.

It turns out that because of the energy used to produce the electric car, including the production of lithium batteries, the electric car begins with at least 40,000 miles of CO2 than an ICE car. The life cycle of the electric car will likely not be long enough to offer any CO2 savings since it begins in a very big CO2 hole to start.

The CO2 problem doesn't end there. The electric car will need to travel at least 80,000 miles before it breaks even when you also consider the electricity used to power the car. Add the time required to recharge the electric car, and another CO2 problem emerges.

The batteries in the electric car become less efficient over time. Car makers have admitted that the 73-mile range of a new electric car will drop by almost 30% after just 5 years. This statistic makes it even more difficult to ever get to that 80,000 mile threshold to break even on CO2 emissions.

The time spent by governments to bribe consumers to buy the cars hasn't worked either. The cars are expensive, the travel range is silly and recharging is a time-consuming nightmare.

And on the issue of recharging ... unless you can recharge your electric car from pure solar power, all the user is doing is shifting emissions from one source to another.

Believers fix the damage cost to the planet at about $4.75 per ton of man-made CO2. If you manage to live long enough to live through all the recharging and drive your electric beast for 100,000 miles, your total cost of saving the planet is only a few pennies more than $40.00 USD.

It's an extremely poor return on investment for the owner of the beast and for the planet. What a waste.

There never seems to be any breakthrough news about how believers will -- specifically -- slow, stop or reverse (by any measurable amount) what they claim is mmcc.
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