Marriage Extension New Rule

[Wee Jimmy]

I thought it was all to easy as per my post. 08.10 this morning got a call from immigration for the wife to go and get the kor lor 2 updated at the Amper. What NEXT!!!

[Chriss]

I thought it was all to easy as per my post. 08.10 this morning got a call from immigration for the wife to go and get the kor lor 2 updated at the Amper. What NEXT!!!

Welcome to the club Jimmy. As I mentioned above for me it was a 5 minute in an out visit to the Ampur.

[Jing Jing]

Does it matter which amphor you were married in? I would think you would have to go to the office where you filed your marriage originally.

Apparently Thailand does not have a process for making certified copies of legal documents. That is why everytime the bank or any one wants a legal document they make a copy and you need to sign.

Marriage Certificate
คร = khor ror

[sometimewoodworker]

Does it matter which amphor you were married in? I would think you would have to go to the office where you filed your marriage originally.

It doesn't, matter any Amper is OK, we married in Lak Si Ket and got our last Kor Ror 2 in Non Sa-At

[saint]

I took a friend into I/O yesterday for his 90 day report , whilst there i thought would look to see if any of the pamphlets had the new retirement extension rules in English ,(there are none ) Immigration officer said new rules for marriage extension , (according to Udon Immigration ) the Kor 2 has to be up dated ,i have used mine for the past 14 years , but hey this is what they now require ,so i'll be going to the Amper office soon , he stated they are now turning people away without an up dated Kor 2 .

Same Same for me yesturday . Immigration insisted we go to ampher office to validate our marriage certificate .
As we got married longs time ago in BKK , im thinking the worst .
No problem at all , local ampher done and dusted in about 30 minutes . Certificate in Thai basically stated when we got married and that were still married .
Immigration happy with new certificate . Was told its a new requirement , must be new every year , and we can do it in advance , but not more than 3 days in advance .

[dragonz]

IT IS! a new requirement as told to me yesterday by the imm officer .Always need the kor ror 22 but I used my old one for the last 4 extensions . someone posted it is to show you are still married but surely they can check that on their computers same as other countries do , same as the amphur office does that gives you the document . Same government , same computer network.
. Glad they do not want updated copies of MY uk marraige certificate every years as it is the same thing and if i got divorced in uk i am sure i could still get this document . Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

[sometimewoodworker]

Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.

[dragonz]

Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.

yeh probably ok to most people but to me a bit crazy . was with my wife and boys getting same visa from same officers who have known me for 10 years . Took me 8 hours and about 200 kms driving because immigration could not check if i was divorced . They could have just phoned the office and given them the number off my old kor sor 2 and they could have just told them or emailed /faxed it to them , would take 10 minutes and saved me 6 hours and 100 kms or even better they could have told me on my last 90 day report which was on jan 28 when i asked if there were any new documents needed for my new extension in a few weeks and was told no
what is the equivalent document in other countries because to me it is just an entry in the amphur to say you have got married ?

[sometimewoodworker]

Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.

yeh probably ok to most people but to me a bit crazy . was with my wife and boys getting same visa from same officers who have known me for 10 years . Took me 8 hours and about 200 kms driving because immigration could not check if i was divorced . They could have just phoned the office and given them the number off my old kor sor 2 and they could have just told them or emailed /faxed it to them , would take 10 minutes and saved me 6 hours and 100 kms or even better they could have told me on my last 90 day report which was on jan 28 when i asked if there were any new documents needed for my new extension in a few weeks and was told no
what is the equivalent document in other countries because to me it is just an entry in the amphur to say you have got married ?

To repeat It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. AFIK the UK doesn't have an equivalent

If you were in immigration when you were told you could have gone to the nearest Ampur to get the up to date one.

[LoneTraveler]

Well new rule for me anyway.

Last month I applied again for my marriage extension, all paperwork correct, stamped and signed, come back in a month for final stamp.

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

[LoneTraveler]

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

[Udonhoward]

Don't know the answer to #1, but I've always only had one witness, and that works.

[TAXIfor7/11]

2 copies of everything ,1 un -related witness

[sometimewoodworker]

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

1) 2 sets
2) First extension 2 ( including pu yai baan) second extension 1

[Chriss]

And a follow on from my OP. Had a call yesterday from Immigration now they want me to make a transaction at my bank and have my bank book updated for them to copy. Take 100 bht out or put 100 bht in is all you need I was told.
Did the deed took the book to the office where they took a couple of copies.
I feel sorry for the IO's, it looks like they are sent these requests from BKK but aren't told the why's and wherefore's... you can see the frustration on their faces as they apologised for all the delays. One IO told my wife they have over 100 people to call to get these updates from.
Another week to wait for my final stamp in the passport, maybe. Think I'll up to a retirement next time.

[dragonz]

Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.

yeh probably ok to most people but to me a bit crazy . was with my wife and boys getting same visa from same officers who have known me for 10 years . Took me 8 hours and about 200 kms driving because immigration could not check if i was divorced . They could have just phoned the office and given them the number off my old kor sor 2 and they could have just told them or emailed /faxed it to them , would take 10 minutes and saved me 6 hours and 100 kms or even better they could have told me on my last 90 day report which was on jan 28 when i asked if there were any new documents needed for my new extension in a few weeks and was told no
what is the equivalent document in other countries because to me it is just an entry in the amphur to say you have got married ?

To repeat It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. AFIK the UK doesn't have an equivalent

If you were in immigration when you were told you could have gone to the nearest Ampur to get the up to date one.

dont understand ? when i was in immigration?I was in immigration and was told i could get one at the nearest amphur but they could not find it on the pc as i stated making me go to the office in which i registered the marraige , lucky it was not bangkok . The whole point of what i was saying as an immigration office they shouyld be able to check on their pc on the amphur website to see if i am divorced or not

[sometimewoodworker]

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dont understand ? when i was in immigration?I was in immigration and was told i could get one at the nearest amphur but they could not find it on the pc as i stated making me go to the office in which i registered the marraige , lucky it was not bangkok . The whole point of what i was saying as an immigration office they shouyld be able to check on their pc on the amphur website to see if i am divorced or not

Immigration at the local level does not have access to the Ampur computer network. The Ampur computer network does not have a web interface. So no they could not check on your behalf.

There seems to be some problem with your marriage registration documents that you need to get fixed as it is standard practice to go to the most convenient Ampur or Ket and they will be able to print a current Kor Ror 2 or Kor Ror 22.

The problem you had was not the fault of the immigration office but of the Ampur, so you have a justified beef with the Ampur for messing things up, but none with immigration.

[dragonz]

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dont understand ? when i was in immigration?I was in immigration and was told i could get one at the nearest amphur but they could not find it on the pc as i stated making me go to the office in which i registered the marraige , lucky it was not bangkok . The whole point of what i was saying as an immigration office they shouyld be able to check on their pc on the amphur website to see if i am divorced or not

Immigration at the local level does not have access to the Ampur computer network. The Ampur computer network does not have a web interface. So no they could not check on your behalf.

There seems to be some problem with your marriage registration documents that you need to get fixed as it is standard practice to go to the most convenient Ampur or Ket and they will be able to print a current Kor Ror 2 or Kor Ror 22.

The problem you had was not the fault of the immigration office but of the Ampur, so you have a justified beef with the Ampur for messing things up, but none with immigration.

your right it was the amphurs fault but saying immigration cannot access their website is silly . just need the log on details . it is not a closed network or all the amphurs could not share the info/ and i think a good website for immigration to be able to access
I was at immigration for my last 90 reporting 6 weeks before and asked if there were any new rules and was told no so really was immigrations fault as the told me it was a new rule and had been out nearly a year

[sometimewoodworker]

your right it was the amphurs fault but saying immigration cannot access their website is silly. just need the log on details .

Not at all silly just a knowledge of computer networks the internet and infrastructure that you clearly do not seem to have.

Websites are only 1 way of passing information across the internet, there are quite a few others.

FWIW I have been accessing data via networks since the early 70's, long before ARPANET was envisioned.

it is not a closed network or all the amphurs could not share the info/ and i think a good website for immigration to be able to access

How precisely do you know that it isn't a private network, it certainly could be and all Ampersand and Kets could have access? How do you know that it is deployed on a website?
I don't know that it isn't deployed as a web server, but equally don't know that it is.

There is no need to have the information accessible via a browser, and quite good security reasons for it not to be.

I know that closed networks are deployed across contents, so over a couple of thousand kilometres is simple

I was at immigration for my last 90 reporting 6 weeks before and asked if there were any new rules and was told no so really was immigrations fault as the told me it was a new rule and had been out nearly a year

It certainly wasn't immigration's fault that your registration was improperly entered on the system, turning what should have been a half hour trip into a 4 hour one.

It isn't a surprise that not every immigration officer knows what you had to produce last year and if there was anything missing or if anything was added.

It was published in the guidance leaflet as an item that may be required in 2008 so hardly a new rule & it was highlighted as a requirement to me when I got the leaflet 2 years ago and was required for my extension in April.

[Chriss]

The requirement for the Kor Ror 2 has been there for some years as shown on the leaflet above..The only new part is you now must show an updated Kor Ror 2 document every time you renew the extension. As was told to me by Udon Immigration last Thursday when I got the final stamp in the passport.