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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 6:24 am

I don't remember who posted it. Don't much care and won't go back to find it in this thread. I thought it was a stretch then, and then everything went quiet and dark. Here's why. 555

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 240388002/
Prosecutors say they were "mistaken" in claiming Maria Butina, an alleged Russian spy, traded sex for access to political organizations.

The retraction was made in a federal court filing Friday discussing a possible bond for Butina, who has been attempting to fight off the charges and that particular accusation since she was indicted in July on charges of acting as a Russian foreign agent.
So ........ here we have yet another GET TRUMP effort washing out. :D


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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by glalt » September 10, 2018, 8:08 am

Libtards don't have to like Trump but they should at the least acknowledge that he is doing a great job. As far as all the racist accusations, that's pure BS and calling Obama a really bad president is simply a fact and certainly not racist. The hate platform continues with only slightly different attacks. The racist thing is not holding up either. I do think voters are tired of the democrat hate platform. It is a sad fact that congress desperately needs some new blood whether it be moderate democrats or republicans replacing career useless politicians.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by tamada » September 10, 2018, 9:01 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 10, 2018, 6:24 am
I don't remember who posted it. Don't much care and won't go back to find it in this thread. I thought it was a stretch then, and then everything went quiet and dark. Here's why. 555

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 240388002/
Prosecutors say they were "mistaken" in claiming Maria Butina, an alleged Russian spy, traded *** for access to political organizations.

The retraction was made in a federal court filing Friday discussing a possible bond for Butina, who has been attempting to fight off the charges and that particular accusation since she was indicted in July on charges of acting as a Russian foreign agent.
So ........ here we have yet another GET TRUMP effort washing out. :D
From the linked article: "The case against Butina is not related to Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing inquiry into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election."

But once you get past the leader that's giving the DJT fanboys such an impressive morning wood, we note:

"While he wasn't identified in court documents, the boyfriend appeared to match the description of South Dakota Republican political operative Paul Erickson, who has been publicly linked with Butina" and

"This walk back by prosecutors is a definite win for Butina's defense but doesn't get to the heart of the accusations she faces."

Namely, "Prosecutors have asserted that Butina engaged in a years-long campaign as a covert agent for the Kremlin in an attempt to "advance the interests of her home country." She is [still] accused of infiltrating multiple political organizations, including the National Rifle Association, to gain influence for Russia."

Maybe the prosecutions s.e.x. angle was indeed one of your more recently created deflections, the 'red herring' after all. But these enthralling, public trawls of the swamp always fetch up the most loathsome of GOP 'associates' who ultimately seem to have a lot less Teflon than they think.

In the end though, it's all grist to the mill.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 12:04 pm

tamada wrote:
September 10, 2018, 9:01 am
. . . The case against Butina is not related to Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing inquiry into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election."
. . .
Is my point.

The OP was so sure that this was just more Trump-Russia case conspiracy. NOT.
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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Udon Map » September 10, 2018, 12:15 pm

glalt wrote:
September 10, 2018, 8:08 am
Libtards don't have to like Trump but they should at the least acknowledge that he is doing a great job.
As I do. I've said repeatedly that while I can't stand him personally, he's doing a great job in many things. But not all. Other than the economy, his domestic policies are, IMO, weak, at best. I rate his foreign policy as strong in some regards (e.g., Hamas, Iran, cancelling the Iran agreement, tariffs), but not so much in others (treating long time allies like dirt, -- it's AOK to tighen up policies like tariffs, but there's no reason to be disrespectful to our allies in the process; it's entirely possible to accomplish the same substantive gains in a polite and respectful manner).

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by glalt » September 10, 2018, 1:58 pm

Trump would be a lot more popular if he had a personality. He talks like a street tough rather than coming from a wealthy family. I will say that when he talks, I do understand him unlike some of the professional PC politicians. It always amazes me that those PC types can talk for an hour and say nothing. In Trump's case, it's his actions that speak rather than his harsh words.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 2:10 pm

*** Amazing Admissions ***

NY Times and Washington comPost provide evidence of Trump's MAGAnomics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/upsh ... rkers.html
The headlines for the August job numbers released this morning are nothing but good. Employers added a robust 201,000 jobs, the unemployment rate remained at the rock-bottom level of 3.9 percent, and wages grew the fastest they have in nine years.

There’s no doubt that this is the best economy in quite a long time for American workers, who by a wide range of measures can find a job more easily than they have in a decade …

But the fact that higher pay raises are finally showing up in the data is another piece of evidence that employers are coming up against the limits of the labor force. Just maybe, after years of trying every recruitment technique other than raising hourly pay, employers are starting to turn more to that option.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... l-it-last/
Rural employment grew at an annualized rate of 5.1 percent in the first quarter. Smaller metro areas grew 5.0 percent. That’s significantly larger than the 4.1 percent growth seen in large urban areas that recovered earlier from the Great Recession, according to an analysis by the Brookings Institution’s Metropolitan Policy Program of a separate set of Labor Department data released on Wednesday.

In the past year, the economy has added 656,000 blue-collar jobs, compared to 1.7 million added in the services sector. But the rate of growth in blue-collar jobs is speeding up, while service-sector job growth has hovered around 1.3 percent over the past year.
Jason Furman, one of Obama's top top economic advisors, can't deny the progress being made by MAGAnomics. His chart reflects the greatest gains being enjoyed by low-income workers.

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Eventually, the eneMedia will find it difficult to ignore Trump's positive gains for America -- foreign and domestic. They're having to report it or embrace the labels that others have put upon them for their reporting by OMISSION.

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Re: Will Trump make the Grade.

Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 9:38 pm

The man who cost Democrats over 1,000 political offices nationwide (federal, state and local) over eight years, and rarely enjoyed a winner from his personal endorsements, has been enlisted by Dems to help campaign in the midterms.

In socialist Commiefornia, he only drew about 750 for his speech in Anaheim in an arena that seats 8,000. About 90% empty for the Messiah. Kinda reminds me of Hillary's campaign rallies. This was a rally for SEVEN Dem candidates, and the draw was an average of a little over 100 supporters each. Not too good.

He could've probably drawn almost that many to a street corner during his community organizing days.

The socialist tribe in the most socialist state in the Union, that is part of what Dems hope is a blue wave, appears to be at low tide.
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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » September 11, 2018, 7:50 am

tamada wrote:
September 8, 2018, 10:03 am
DJT simply inherited a whole slew of improving markets, trends and statistics. He is disproportionately and ludicrously laying claim to his single-handedly 'tuning America around' when in reality, his team simply inherited an overall steadily improving and 'winning' economy.

. . .
WRONG.



Actually, the trends and statistics showed downward trajectory prior to Trump's election. Maybe that downward projection had something to do with folks thinking Hillary might win and make it all worse. :D

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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Udon Map » September 11, 2018, 8:34 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 11, 2018, 7:50 am
tamada wrote:
September 8, 2018, 10:03 am
DJT simply inherited a whole slew of improving markets, trends and statistics. He is disproportionately and ludicrously laying claim to his single-handedly 'tuning America around' when in reality, his team simply inherited an overall steadily improving and 'winning' economy. . . .
WRONG.

Actually, the trends and statistics showed downward trajectory prior to Trump's election. Maybe that downward projection had something to do with folks thinking Hillary might win and make it all worse. :D
There is no question that the economy has done well under Trump, and the statistics bear that out. But any suggestion that he turned around a failing Obama economy is fallacy.

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Re: Trump addresses EU trade deficit

Post by newtovillagelife » September 11, 2018, 8:56 am

Much like Trump has to be shown pictures to help in his understanding of basic facts. The result is that it has done nothing to change his mind, or his supporters. You are wasting your time. You see white they see black...end of story.

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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » September 11, 2018, 9:29 am

But any suggestion that he turned around a failing Obama economy is fallacy.
Your charts really don't back it up, but Obama's ECONOMY wasn't failing. It was FLAT. What success the economy had under Obama, meager as it was, occurred despite Obama.

First, your charts are not a reflection of the principles that drive the economy. The charts provided by CEA Chairman Kevin Hassert reflected the factors that drive the economy -- business investment, business optimism, business inventory, business expansion, etc. All of those trends were spiking downward leading up to the election, and all spiked north at the time of the election. They're all in the video, and the charts provide dramatic evidence of business optimism after Trump's election.

BUSINESS DRIVES the ECONOMY. The economy doesn't drive business. Business drives hiring. Business drives GDP. Business drives the stock market. And all of those things, as Hassert explained, are driven by forward-looking optimism (which wasn't there prior to the election). And what drives business? More freedom, less regulation, more profit to keep (including individual tax breaks), more investment in the markets, more capital to invest and hire and build. Obama provided none of that. His policies were stifling.

Second, only one of your charts contains a viable source -- Dept of Labor regarding unemployment rate. The second to last chart about GDP (I guess) has no source and doesn't say much of anything. I'd say it's a chart. That's about it. You've complained about my sources in the past -- mostly sources that you imagined that I used -- but these charts are pretty incoherent outside of one of them.

As for GDP, you can throw up all the charts you wish, the FACT remains that Obama is the only president never to achieve annual GDP of 2%. Obama had more Americans on welfare than any president in history. There were more Americans out of the workforce than any president in history. He also owns the weakest recession recovery in history. Obama is also the dude who said that 2% was the new norm for annual GDP. Obama said there would be no higher annual GDP than that -- and he was correct -- because all of the regulations and taxation and departmental policies he was creating was causing it to happen. Obama also said coal was dead and would be buried next to manufacturing. Those two sectors have been unleashed again. US energy exports are screaming higher.

Trump followed some of Reagan's policies, and he did the opposite of Obama's stifling punishment of business and success.

As Larry Kudlow likes to say:
"The war against business is over. The war against success is over. The war against energy is over. We have now freed up the animal spirits; you can see that by the confidence indexes. We’re rolling. The U.S. economy is rolling."

I agree with Larry.
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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by tamada » September 11, 2018, 9:33 am

Udon Map wrote:
September 11, 2018, 8:34 am
Lone Star wrote:
September 11, 2018, 7:50 am
tamada wrote:
September 8, 2018, 10:03 am
DJT simply inherited a whole slew of improving markets, trends and statistics. He is disproportionately and ludicrously laying claim to his single-handedly 'tuning America around' when in reality, his team simply inherited an overall steadily improving and 'winning' economy. . . .
WRONG.

Actually, the trends and statistics showed downward trajectory prior to Trump's election. Maybe that downward projection had something to do with folks thinking Hillary might win and make it all worse. :D
There is no question that the economy has done well under Trump, and the statistics bear that out. But any suggestion that he turned around a failing Obama economy is fallacy.
And there we have it people.

LS's link to (yet another) video from DJT's "I'll give you a reach-around and pat my own back while I'm at it" gang, (yet another) picture lampooning Obama and (yet another) 'but Hillary' deflection versus UM's copy-paste of undeniably factual economic graphs.

Then again, what did we honestly expect?

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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » September 11, 2018, 9:41 am

tamada wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:33 am

And there we have it people.

LS's link to (yet another) video from DJT's "I'll give you a reach-around and pat my own back while I'm at it" gang, (yet another) picture lampooning Obama and (yet another) 'but Hillary' deflection versus UM's copy-paste of undeniably factual economic graphs.

Then again, what did we honestly expect?
And like others, you provide no facts to refute any of it.
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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by tamada » September 11, 2018, 9:49 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:29 am
But any suggestion that he turned around a failing Obama economy is fallacy.
Your charts really don't back it up, but Obama's ECONOMY wasn't failing. It was FLAT. What success the economy had under Obama, meager as it was, occurred despite Obama.
And, inevitably, by the very same token, when all is said and done and the protagonists and the antagonists on either side shut the eff up and listen, the current, undeniably resurgent US economy is happening despite Trump. But it's not the endless gravy train to global superiority that he portrays it to be.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... rade-logic

"In the months since Trump ratcheted up trade tensions with both China and erstwhile U.S. allies such as Canada and Europe, there’s been no stampede of manufacturers back to America’s shores. There has, however, been a growing chorus of complaints about the profit pinch wrought by U.S. and retaliatory tariffs as well as some early warnings about price increases and job cuts."...

"Relocating supply chains is a lot more time-intensive and expensive than firing off a tweet. Eventually, Trump’s trade wars will force multinational companies to adjust their price-arbitrage analyses, and who knows, maybe in some cases that will mean shifting production to the U.S. But at what cost? If such rejiggering makes U.S. companies less competitive, any local jobs they may have created could become redundant anyway."

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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by tamada » September 11, 2018, 9:51 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:41 am
tamada wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:33 am

And there we have it people.

LS's link to (yet another) video from DJT's "I'll give you a reach-around and pat my own back while I'm at it" gang, (yet another) picture lampooning Obama and (yet another) 'but Hillary' deflection versus UM's copy-paste of undeniably factual economic graphs.

Then again, what did we honestly expect?
And like others, you provide no facts to refute any of it.
What? You didn't see UM's factual graphs in his response?

Sorry, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » September 11, 2018, 9:59 am

tamada wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:51 am

. . .
I addressed UM's grafts.

I'm waiting for someone to refute Hassert's graphs and explanation.
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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by tamada » September 11, 2018, 10:05 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:59 am
tamada wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:51 am

. . .
I addressed UM's grafts.

I'm waiting for someone to refute Hassert's graphs and explanation.
You mean, "...your charts are not a reflection of the principles that drive the economy."

Huh? You can plot principles in a graph? I guess I really need to upgrade from Excel 2010 after all.

Who's Hassert? Sorry for asking but your bloviating is really on a roll this morning.

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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Lone Star » September 11, 2018, 10:19 am

tamada wrote:
September 11, 2018, 10:05 am
...

Who's Hassert?
So you haven't been keeping up with the data provided. That's cool.
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Re: Trump addresses US trade deficit

Post by Udon Map » September 11, 2018, 11:05 am

Lone Star wrote:
September 11, 2018, 9:29 am
First, your charts are not a reflection of the principles that drive the economy.
The old my-data-matters-but-yours-doesn't argument.

Wage growth by month in the Obama and Trump presidencies was almost identical, -- during the Trump years it shows a strong a growing economy, but during the Obama years it was "not a reflection of the principles that drive the economy." Right. Got it.

Non-farm payroll went up in almost a straight line during Obama's term, but that doesn't count, either.

The unemployment rate went from around 10% to around 4% during the Obama years, but that, too, didn't prove anything.

Same with GDP. Up in almost a straight line during Obama, but that doesn't show anything.

The only data that matters is data that shows that Trump is the greatest who ever lived. All other data is either fake news or irrelevant. Right?

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