Tiller Hire

Post by **Mark72** » November 13, 2015, 1:26 pm

Hello,
would anyone know where I can hire a petrol poweredTIller in Udon?

it is to turn up about 40m x 40m of soil

Post by **waanjai** » November 14, 2015, 1:50 pm

It is not common that peasants lend out their walk-behind tractors used within smaller plots. They instead offer You to do the job for payment (normally 1.000 Baht per Rai).

Just ask a peasant nearby. He will tell you who would be able and willing to do the job.

In these days though everybody is busy with cutting / harvesting the rice. And the maschines out are the Harvesters. Plowing starts at Songkran again.

Post by **JohnG** » November 16, 2015, 1:41 am

"Peasants" ?

I think "farmers" or "farm workers" may go down a bit better!

Post by **waanjai** » November 16, 2015, 1:55 am

JohnG wrote:"Peasants" ?
I think "farmers" or "farm workers" may go down a bit better!

You may use the word dschau na - when talking to other Thais here in Udon.
But then again, this means peasant.

Peasants here do not have farms, but mostly ricefields = na.

Post by **fatbob** » November 16, 2015, 6:47 am

I found the term peasants offensive also, as an English speaker on an English speaking forum, snobbish in the extreme!

Post by **JohnG** » November 16, 2015, 12:34 pm

coxo wrote:I found the term peasants offensive also, as an English speaker on an English speaking forum, snobbish in the extreme!

Offensive is putting it mildly. I can only assume that Waanjai is not a native English speaker and has no real idea of the connotations that go with "peasant" which, apart from as a deliberate insult, went out of use other than historically historically in the Middle Ages. Its rather like calling someone a "pleb"; totally uncalled for.

Post by JR » November 16, 2015, 1:38 pm

Mark72. Where are you and when do you need it?

Post by **Barney** » November 17, 2015, 9:43 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nG3BIEXGaM

Try these guys, get a 40x 40 lot done in no time.
They look like happy PEASANT's.

Post by **waanjai** » November 17, 2015, 4:06 pm

But don't talk Strine with them. They prolly might think you are an Aussie peasant possessing only 1 Rai. Just call them ชาวนา.

Post by **pal52** » November 17, 2015, 5:35 pm

waanjai wrote:But don't talk Strine with them. They prolly might think you are an Aussie peasant possessing only 1 Rai. Just call them ชาวนา.

Wanjai
You are clearly an intelligent man who makes some very good posts.
Why do you want to keep these remarks going.
Why not just apologize for the remark about peasants which could have been posted without really thinking about it and get back to the original post

Post by **waanjai** » November 17, 2015, 7:01 pm

Nothing wrong with peasants.

Take Oxford New English dictionary
"Definition of peasant in English:
noun
A poor smallholder or agricultural labourer of low social status (chiefly in historical use or with reference to subsistence farming in poorer countries): [as modifier]: peasant farmers'"

subsistence economy is exactly that what happens in poor Isaan. So nothing pejorative in it.
Seemed to be in the eye of the beholder.

One should not only learn the Thai language to be at least able to speak and understand but also learn more about the social structures in ones new country of residence. Helps a lot to get along.

Post by JR » November 17, 2015, 9:11 pm

It is not about Isaan or the Thai language, it is about the English language and how to use it. In modern day English the word peasant, apart from the description in Oxford, also has a derogatory meaning. And that is what many people object to.

Post by **waanjai** » November 17, 2015, 9:16 pm

Many words have more than one meaning.
But here we are talking about hiring a small walk-behind tractor to do a little work in a little spot of land with the help of the local ชาวนา that translates best to peasant even in modern English.

Post by JR » November 17, 2015, 9:26 pm

You seem to have a problem with semantics and that makes it difficult to have a discussion so I would like to end it here.

Post by **fatbob** » November 18, 2015, 7:27 am

waanjai wrote: by waanjai » November 17, 2015, 9:16 pm

Many words have more than one meaning.
But here we are talking about hiring a small walk-behind tractor to do a little work in a little spot of land with the help of the local ชาวนา that translates best to peasant even in modern English.

You could try farmer, tractor operator, machine operator, worker, helper a multitude of words in English will describe what is required, peasant is not one of them no matter how hard you try to convince yourself you pathetic little man.

Post by **BobHelm** » November 18, 2015, 7:37 am

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waanjai, meaning 1 of peasant is really only used in English now in an historic (past) tense.
If used in the current tense then, undoubtedly, meaning 2 applies & so is really best avoided.

Post by **Soonsoon** » November 18, 2015, 7:43 am

Derogatory and uncalled for term.

Post by **JohnG** » November 20, 2015, 12:13 am

coxo, English is very clearly not waanjai's native tongue as he demonstrates with every post but he refuses to admit that he's wrong.

Unfortunately he's a prime example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing, not only in this but in most of his other posts.

Post by **waanjai** » November 20, 2015, 12:26 am

Please direct all inquiries and complaints directly to:

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Here is the correct citation:
TY - ELEC
T1 - "peasant". Oxford Dictionaries.
A1 - Oxford Dictionaries
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Have fun.

Post by **fatbob** » November 20, 2015, 6:26 am

JohnG wrote: by JohnG » November 20, 2015, 12:13 am

coxo, English is very clearly not waanjai's native tongue as he demonstrates with every post but he refuses to admit that he's wrong.

Unfortunately he's a prime example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing, not only in this but in most of his other posts.

I think he is a 5 foot 1 inch high caste Indian by his higher than the mighty attitude, probably a tailor in Patong, but what would us peasants know anyway.