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Desmond Tutu

Post by jackspratt » December 26, 2021, 4:52 pm

Desmond Tutu, the cleric and social activist who was a giant of the struggle against apartheid in South Africa, has died aged 90.

Tutu, described by foreign observers and his countrymen as the moral conscience of his nation, died in Cape Town on Boxing Day.
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 26, 2021, 11:26 pm

Yeah, he was okay. R.I.P.
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by GT93 » December 27, 2021, 3:26 am

Bumping back to Tutu, a globally significant public figure.

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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by the-monk » December 27, 2021, 9:15 am

A GREAT person, not a perfect one. The world needs more men and women like TUTU. RIP.

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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Declan MacPherson » December 29, 2021, 10:16 am

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18078/desmond-tutu
Should the Late Bishop Tutu Get a Statue?
He was among the world's most respected figures. His recognizable face—with its ever-present grin—has become a symbol of reconciliation and goodness. But it masks a long history of ugly hatred toward the Jewish people, the Jewish religion and the Jewish state. He not only believed in anti-Semitism, he actively promoted and legitimated Jew-hatred among his many followers and admirers around the world.

He has attacked the "Jewish" – not Israeli – "lobby" as too "powerful" and "scary." He has invoked classic anti-Semitic stereotypes and tropes about Jewish "arrogance", "power" and "money." He has characterized Jews a "peculiar people," and has accused "the Jews" of causing many of the world's problems. He once even accused the Jewish state of acting in an "unChristian" manner.

Let the record speak for itself, so that history may judge Tutu on the basis of his own words — words that he has often repeated and that others repeat, because Tutu is a role model for so many people around the world. Here are some of Tutu's hateful words, most of them carefully documented in a petition by prominent South Africans to terminate him as a "patron" of the two South African Holocaust Centers, because he used his status with these fine institutions as legitimization for his anti-Jewish rhetoric.

He denied that Israel is a "civilized democracy" and singled out Israel—one of the world's most open democracies—as a nation guilty of "censorship of their media." He urged the Cape Town Opera to refuse to perform George Gershwin's Porgy and Bess in Tel Aviv and called for a total cultural boycott of Jewish Israel, while encouraging performers to visit the most repressive regimes in the world.

He was far more vocal about Israel's imperfections than about the genocides in Rwanda, Darfur and Cambodia.

Even in death, his bigotry against Jews must be recounted and considered in any honest reckoning of his decidedly mixed legacy, and in any decision whether to honor him with statues or other forms of canonization, especially at a time of increasing antisemitism throughout the world.
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 29, 2021, 10:44 am

That was an interesting read on something I knew nothing about.
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by jackspratt » December 29, 2021, 12:16 pm

A couple of different, perhaps more nuanced perspectives.

From the Jerusalem Post:
‘Not a friend of Israel, but a man of great achievement, heroism and bravery’

Desmond Tutu saw the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through the prism of apartheid in South Africa, says ex-envoy

......As the world mourned Tutu on Sunday, Lenk cautioned against viewing him only on his stance regarding Israel.

“Tutu’s legacy is a South African one. Our issues in Israel are not even secondary to his legacy, and that’s an important thing for us to understand. His life wasn’t about Israel and Palestine, it was about democracy and human rights in South Africa,” said Lenk.

.......“He wasn’t a friend of Israel, but that said, he was a man of great achievement, heroism and bravery. And anyone who celebrates democracy knows that he’s at the top of the list of people who should be honored, even if he didn’t see our issue the way we would have liked him to.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-689817
From Jewish Exponent:
Abraham Foxman, then national director of the Anti-Defamation League, urged the university not to rescind the invitation.

“Tutu has certainly been an outspoken, sometimes very harsh critic of Israel and Israeli policies, and has sometimes also used examples which may cross the line,” Foxman told JTA at the time. But Tutu “certainly is not an antisemite and should not be so characterized and therefore refused a platform.”
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by caducus » December 29, 2021, 12:30 pm

He deserves, more than (almost) all recently deceased statesmen, to Rest in Peace.

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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Earnest » December 29, 2021, 7:25 pm

Yes, he does. He seemed a decent sort to me and certainly no one to get excited about.
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Giggle » December 29, 2021, 10:01 pm

Because the end of apartheid has improved the lot of South Africa immeasurably.

Said no one. Ever.
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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » December 30, 2021, 2:26 am

The Jerusalem Post wrote, 'His life wasn’t about Israel and Palestine, it was about democracy and human rights in South Africa,” said Lenk.

“Especially on a day like today, that’s the prism in which we need to look at his life, and to honor 90 years of a heroic, iconic person who did amazing things in our world. We disagreed on one issue that’s important to us, but you have to be able to see the shades of gray and not just look at ‘was he a friend of ours?’

“He wasn’t a friend of Israel, but that said, he was a man of great achievement, heroism and bravery. And anyone who celebrates democracy knows that he’s at the top of the list of people who should be honored, even if he didn’t see our issue the way we would have liked him to.” https://www.jpost.com/international/article-689817'
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Earnest » December 30, 2021, 6:08 pm

Giggle wrote:
December 29, 2021, 10:01 pm
Because the end of apartheid has improved the lot of South Africa immeasurably.

Said no one. Ever.
Do you know what, I've never been. Is it a desperate part of the continent?
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by stattointhailand » December 30, 2021, 6:26 pm

This guy, No O'never, is he related to Nosmo K ing?

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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by jackspratt » December 30, 2021, 7:50 pm

Giggle wrote:
December 29, 2021, 10:01 pm
Because the end of apartheid has improved the lot of South Africa immeasurably.

Said no one. Ever.
Good to see you back, giggley - where you been?

Probably studying, but not learning anything, from the latest thoughts of Desmond and Danny. 👍

Anyway, please tell us about your latest trip to South Africa, and what you were able to gauge from the thoughts of the citizens about whether they believe their lot has been improved since the end of apartheid.

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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by Earnest » December 30, 2021, 9:29 pm

Yes, yes, please do, Giggle, I'm agog in anticipation, I can even feel my fanny fluttering.

Oh, hold on, has Statts been at Nanna's sherry again?
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This guy, No O'never, is he related to Nosmo K ing?
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Re: Desmond Tutu

Post by stattointhailand » December 30, 2021, 9:37 pm

Nanna's locked the sherry in the Plaza (only available on grab a granny night in Spankys)

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