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Re: Ukraine

Post by tamada » April 30, 2022, 8:09 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
April 30, 2022, 4:21 am
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While in no way condoning Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine, can anyone remember this degree of fuss, tut-tutting and condemnation when the US and it's lapdog allies illegally invaded Iraq?

Was there any talk of booting the US and UK from the Security Council?
As far as Canadian policy is concerned, 'In autumn 2002, Bush had offered to send intelligence experts to brief the prime minister, and later offered to come personally to brief him; although Chretien instead choose to have said information pass through regular intelligence-sharing channels where Canadian analysts analyzed the information and passed it on to him.[21][19] Reliance on Canadian analysis may have helped Chrétien reach a different conclusion from his American and British counterparts; with Blair at one point expressing frustration on how the Canadian prime minister failed to "see the evidence," despite the fact they largely shared the same intelligence sources.[20] Canadian intelligence assessment of Iraq in 2002 and 2003 was notable in that it deviated from the assessments provided by its Five Eyes partners, even though they all had access to the same information.[21][22] This has largely been attributed to the fact that the Canadian intelligence community saw no external political pressures placed on it.[23] Subsequent inquiries after the 2003 invasion into American intelligence on Iraq also found that American analysts had assumed Iraq was determined to restart its WMD program as soon as possible.[22] This contrasted the assumptions held by Canadian analysts, who believed Iraq would temporarily suspend its WMD program for immediate economic relief; providing Canadian analysts the possibility to entertain the idea that Iraq may not have WMDs to begin with.[22]- Wiki
So there's a chance that Putin is right and all this Ukrainian war damage is self-inflicted by madman Zelinskyy at the behest of the western military-industrial complex and the globalists?


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Re: Ukraine

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » April 30, 2022, 9:28 am

Please elaborate. I don't have a clue what you are speculating about or why. Or are you just acting silly?
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Re: Ukraine

Post by tamada » April 30, 2022, 10:09 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
April 30, 2022, 9:28 am
Please elaborate. I don't have a clue what you are speculating about or why. Or are you just acting silly?
The western governments largely sold the great unwashed the WMD pup before the Iraq War. Agreed?

Who's to say they're not incapable of doing it again? Not the actual death and destruction being wrought by Putin of course. That's real. I thought you would he able to see I was suggesting the root cause of the Kremlin's aggression, ie. over eight years of willful disengagement by NATO, EU and the Johnny-come-lately UN. Annexing Crimea was like, "Please stop that."
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Re: Ukraine

Post by Earnest » April 30, 2022, 4:00 pm

jackspratt wrote:
April 29, 2022, 1:41 pm
While in no way condoning Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine, can anyone remember this degree of fuss, tut-tutting and condemnation when the US and it's lapdog allies illegally invaded Iraq?
Actually, if you can look beyond your irritation of me, I think I can use your argument to ask why the West is no longer concerned with the events in Burma, a Junta terrorising its population, or the genocidal plight of the Uyghurs in China.

The latter is overlooked as the West seeks to bring the Chinese Govt onside in the fight against Putin. The Burmese? Well, no one seems to care about them. Is this the fault of western governments or the Media?

An apologist may say that the war in Ukraine is the closest crocodile to the canoe.

Stand easy.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by tamada » April 30, 2022, 6:52 pm

The west has a canoe?

They do have a fascination for their "red lines" though. History is littered with them, either forgotten or trampled with little or no consequence. Russia and China simply don't bother with this artifice of diplomacy, never have and never will.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by jackspratt » April 30, 2022, 7:25 pm

Earnest wrote:
April 30, 2022, 4:00 pm

Actually, if you can look beyond your irritation of me, .......
That doesn't make sense.

Who is irritating who? :-k

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Re: Ukraine

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » April 30, 2022, 8:24 pm

tamada wrote:
April 30, 2022, 6:52 pm
The west has a canoe?

They do have a fascination for their "red lines" though. History is littered with them, either forgotten or trampled with little or no consequence. Russia and China simply don't bother with this artifice of diplomacy, never have and never will.
Sure they do. China has warned the West, Vietnam, India and the Philippines on numerous times to toe the line or there will be trouble whether it's about activity on Vietnam's border with China (1979), the Spratley's, the China-India border, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Russia has been sabre rattling with its threat to use nuclear weapons in its current war with the Ukraine, demanding NATO nations pay for Russian fuel in rubles and so on. You can look it up, no.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by Earnest » May 1, 2022, 3:05 am

tamada wrote:
April 30, 2022, 6:52 pm
The west has a canoe?
Dad joke.
jackspratt wrote:
April 30, 2022, 7:25 pm
Earnest wrote:
April 30, 2022, 4:00 pm

Actually, if you can look beyond your irritation of me, .......
That doesn't make sense.

Who is irritating who? :-k

Agreed, it doesn't but I can hear you grinding your teeth from here.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by GT93 » May 1, 2022, 5:04 am

It might be Putin's grinding teeth that you're hearing, no?
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Post by papafarang » May 1, 2022, 7:21 am

Just read that 20 civilians got out of the steel works , are the media trying to get them killed ? Why brag about it , now the Russians will double down on them . possibility that Russia will just start bombing again to dissuade people from trying to get out. What moron thought it was a good idea to let Russians know there's gaps in positions.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by tamada » May 1, 2022, 8:00 am

papafarang wrote:
May 1, 2022, 7:21 am
Just read that 20 civilians got out of the steel works , are the media trying to get them killed ? Why brag about it , now the Russians will double down on them . possibility that Russia will just start bombing again to dissuade people from trying to get out. What moron thought it was a good idea to let Russians know there's gaps in positions.
Along with telling the world where the UK's 8000 troops will be deployed, that's what the toothless, red-line drawing west wants, no? The endless litany of desperate refugee stories will grow. Russia's thuggish army will soon be accused of more genocide, war crimes and the other tropes of an alliance that dwells on red-lines they haven't a hope in hell of enforcing.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by mak » May 1, 2022, 8:55 am

The legendary Ghost of Kyiv fighter pilot has been killed in battle after Ukraine claimed he shot down 40 Russian warplanes.

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Post by tamada » May 1, 2022, 9:11 am

mak wrote:
May 1, 2022, 8:55 am
The legendary Ghost of Kyiv fighter pilot has been killed in battle after Ukraine claimed he shot down 40 Russian warplanes.
Was that real or some online game he died in?

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-ukrain ... a-60951825
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Re: Ukraine

Post by jackspratt » May 1, 2022, 9:54 am

Earnest wrote:
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Agreed, it doesn't but I can hear you grinding your teeth from here.
Interesting thought Westers - but you probably give yourself a bit too much credit. 8)

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Post by mak » May 1, 2022, 11:19 am

The death of the much-celebrated enigmatic pilot was reported by The Times of London, which for the first time also publicly identified Major Stepan Tarabalka, a 29-year-old father of one, as the war hero.
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Re: Ukraine

Post by Earnest » May 1, 2022, 2:37 pm

Was this chap the so called Ghost of Kyiv?
jackspratt wrote:
May 1, 2022, 9:54 am
Earnest wrote:
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Agreed, it doesn't but I can hear you grinding your teeth from here.
Interesting thought Westers - but you probably give yourself a bit too much credit. 8)
Ha, ha! :D
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Post by GT93 » May 1, 2022, 3:19 pm

From one of The Guardian's great global rivals:
The Western artillery flooding into Ukraine will alter the war with Russia, setting off a bloody battle of wits backed by long-range weapons and forcing both sides to grow more nimble if they hope to avoid significant fatalities as fighting intensifies in the east, U.S. officials and military analysts predict.

The expanded artillery battle follows Russia’s failed effort to rapidly seize Ukraine’s major population centers, including the capital, Kyiv. It comes as the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Western benefactors brace for what is expected to be a grinding campaign in the Donbas region. The conflict there is expected to showcase the long-range cannons that are a centerpiece of Russia’s arsenal, weaponry already used to devastating effect in places such as Mariupol, a southern port city that has been pulverized by unrelenting bombardment.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking alongside his Canadian counterpart at the Pentagon on Thursday, said long-range artillery will prove “decisive” in the next phase of the war. The Biden administration, which along with Canada is training small numbers of Ukrainian troops how to operate the dozens of 155 mm howitzers that both countries have pledged to provide, is expected to approve the transfer of even more artillery to Ukraine in the coming days, Austin said ...

After an artillery unit attacks an adversary, it needs to keep moving, Flynn [a retired three-star Marine general and former artillery officer] said. “Once you get into a counter-battery fight, it’s shoot and scoot,” he added. “You don’t stick around and let yourself get targeted.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... artillery/

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Post by FrazeeDK » May 2, 2022, 8:25 pm

The artillery shipped in isn't just tube artillery, it also includes the US HIMARs Multiple Launch Rocket System. It is supposedly deployed and been used in combat in the Kharkiv region by the Ukrainians. There is also a rumor that the HIMARs was used to destroy a Russian Electornic Warfare system on a Russian occupied Ukrainian island located off the Black Sea coast near the Ukrainian/Romanian border. " the Ukrainian GenStab claimed the destruction of the Russian Repellent-1 electronic warfare station, three anti-aircraft positions and other equipment, plus over 40 Russians KIA on the Zmiyiny Island. Now mind: Zmiyniy is about 145km south of Odessa, and almost as much off the coast of Romania, as off the (southernmost part) of the coast of Ukraine. I.e. it’s an isolated position, but also an excellent one — for example to monitor Ukrainian resupply ops to Romania, or the NATO reconnaissance operations over Romania and the southern Black Sea. It’s the distance to the Zmyiniy that is surprising in regards of that claim, though." Here's its location https://www.google.co.th/maps/place/Zmi ... 4897?hl=en

Here's the original article from Tom Coopers site that provides pretty good tactical info on the war: https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukrai ... 5784cdc601
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Re: Ukraine

Post by tamada » May 4, 2022, 7:15 am

mak wrote:
May 1, 2022, 11:19 am
The death of the much-celebrated enigmatic pilot was reported by The Times of London, which for the first time also publicly identified Major Stepan Tarabalka, a 29-year-old father of one, as the war hero.
The Ukrainian's have admitted to the myth and subsequently hijacked it.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 5133541047
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Re: Ukraine

Post by rick » May 6, 2022, 10:04 am

I have found the tom cooper reports very interesting. As Dave doesn't post updates every day, here is a link to the site and you can look at all the reports.

https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x

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