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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 30, 2021, 8:18 pm

It was only a matter of time before this trope hit the thread.

It is perfectly possible to be against what the Israeli state is doing now, and has been doing for decades, without being ant1-Semitic (ie anti Jew).



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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 30, 2021, 8:20 pm

jackspratt wrote:
May 30, 2021, 8:18 pm
It is perfectly possible to be against what the Israeli state is doing now, and has been doing for decades, without being ant1-Semitic (ie anti Jew).
Yes, of course it's possible. The question, however, is whether it's happening in real life. Unless you have evidence to suggest that incidents cited in the article and elsewhere were fabricated....

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 30, 2021, 8:27 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:
May 30, 2021, 7:58 pm
well, no, Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Fatah is the elected government in the Palestinian Authority. Neither have allowed elections since taking power in January 2006 and Abbas has cancelled the previously scheduled June elections.. Oh, BTW, Abass's net worth is over $100 million. Being President of the Palestinian Authority must have a great salary..
The US had bunged him at least 40 million in 'aid' back in 2007. Sounds like the US were (repeatedly) backing the wrong horse, no?

Did that with Fulgencio Batista and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi too.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 30, 2021, 8:33 pm

tamada wrote:
May 30, 2021, 8:27 pm
FrazeeDK wrote:
May 30, 2021, 7:58 pm
well, no, Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Fatah is the elected government in the Palestinian Authority. Neither have allowed elections since taking power in January 2006 and Abbas has cancelled the previously scheduled June elections.. Oh, BTW, Abass's net worth is over $100 million. Being President of the Palestinian Authority must have a great salary..
The US had bunged him at least 40 million in 'aid' back in 2007. Sounds like the US were (repeatedly) backing the wrong horse, no?

Did that with Fulgencio Batista and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi too.
As long as you're making a list, don't forget Mr. Arafat: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arafats-billions/

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 30, 2021, 8:36 pm

One easy way to try and silence comment on the behaviour of the Israeli state is to accuse the commentators of being anti-Semitic - as I know from personal experience on this thread.

Random acts of stupidity do not disguise the fact that a groundswell of opinion about the behaviour of the state of Israel, and its oppression of the rightful aspirations of the Palestinians, is not universally anti-Jew.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 30, 2021, 9:58 pm

jackspratt wrote:
May 30, 2021, 8:36 pm
One easy way to try and silence comment on the behaviour of the Israeli state is to accuse the commentators of being anti-Semitic - as I know from personal experience on this thread.
Speaking only for myself, I don't believe that I have ever accused you of being anti-Semitic.

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Random acts of stupidity do not disguise the fact that a groundswell of opinion about the behaviour of the state of Israel, and its oppression of the rightful aspirations of the Palestinians, is not universally anti-Jew.
Agreed, not universally. But it's also more than an insignificant minority.

As far as the "rightful aspirations of the Palestinians," those aspirations often seem to include the destruction of Israel and elimination of all Jews. Presumably you would not describe those aspirations as rightful. It's also important to distinguish the aspirations of the Palestinian people who, IMO, primarily just want to live in peace, from those of the Palestinian leaders, who seem to have a different agenda.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 30, 2021, 10:01 pm

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 30, 2021, 10:09 pm

jackspratt wrote:
May 30, 2021, 10:09 pm
Udon Map wrote:
May 30, 2021, 9:58 pm
Speaking only for myself, I don't believe that I have ever accused you of being anti-Semitic.
Correct - you haven't but others have.
jackspratt wrote:
May 30, 2021, 8:36 pm
Random acts of stupidity do not disguise the fact that a groundswell of opinion about the behaviour of the state of Israel, and its oppression of the rightful aspirations of the Palestinians, is not universally anti-Jew.
Udon Map wrote:
May 30, 2021, 9:58 pm
Agreed, not universally. But it's also more than an insignificant minority.

As far as the "rightful aspirations of the Palestinians," those aspirations often seem to include the destruction of Israel and elimination of all Jews. Presumably you would not describe those aspirations as rightful. It's also important to distinguish the aspirations of the Palestinian people who, IMO, primarily just want to live in peace, from those of the Palestinian leaders, who seem to have a different agenda.
Correct again - but as Tamada has highlighted, you seem to conflate the aspirations of Palestinians in general with the rather more malign aspirations of Hamas.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 30, 2021, 10:30 pm

jackspratt wrote:
May 30, 2021, 10:09 pm
Correct again - but as Tamada has highlighted, you seem to conflate the aspirations of Palestinians in general with the rather more malign aspirations of Hamas.
The problem is that it's Hamas that's calling the shots and launching the attacks.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 31, 2021, 4:02 am

And, Iran may have a hand in the Hamas initiatives too.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » June 1, 2021, 8:18 pm

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » June 1, 2021, 8:30 pm

And neither did the Zionist terrorists just appear in 1948.

Straw man argument, UM.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » June 1, 2021, 9:02 pm

jackspratt wrote:
June 1, 2021, 8:30 pm
And neither did the Zionist terrorists just appear in 1948.

Straw man argument, UM.
Ok Mr Pratt.
Where are the facts behind your statement? Were they formed while the Nazi's were doing their best to wipe them from the face of the world? Were they formed while they were doing the almost perfect left wing philosophy of all are equal in the Kibbutz systems and surrounded by Arab States who wanted to destroy them. Do they treat women as second class objects and non Muslims less than humans to be enslaved, raped and used as target practice for their beheading swords. How many Israelis go into Gaza with bombs strapped to their bodies with the intent to murder as many as possible no matter what religion they are. I hear not all Palestinians support Hamas but all Muslims support the aim of Islam taking over the world so where is the difference. Check your Guardian for the answers.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » June 2, 2021, 1:47 am

AlexO wrote:
June 1, 2021, 9:02 pm
Do they treat women as second class objects ...?
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Giggle » June 2, 2021, 2:13 am

Palestinian leaders sing from the same hymn sheet as American race hustlers like Al Sharpton. They never want peace and understanding. Their entire existence is predicated upon continued violence and mayhem.

They should all be given an inter-cranial hot lead injection.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » June 2, 2021, 2:19 am

jackspratt wrote:
June 1, 2021, 8:30 pm
And neither did the Zionist terrorists just appear in 1948.
Correct. The Jews were there long before 1948.

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Post by Giggle » June 2, 2021, 2:23 am

Is that a menorah or a multiple-warhead rocket launcher depicted on the coin? It might yet be Palestinian.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » June 2, 2021, 2:29 am

How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?
While we're at it, let's go back to the thread title. Who, exactly are the terrorists here?

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