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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 16, 2021, 9:00 am

Israel is an internationally recognised state just like all the other ones around the globe.


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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 16, 2021, 9:17 am

Yes, but it wasn't leading up to 1948 - which is the period I have referred to.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 16, 2021, 10:01 am

Yes, but it is now and we can't change it.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 16, 2021, 10:06 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
May 16, 2021, 9:00 am
Israel is an internationally recognised state just like all the other ones around the globe.
What about the bits they've invaded and annexed that aren't internationally recognized?

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 16, 2021, 10:10 am

You answered your own question
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by FrazeeDK » May 16, 2021, 3:31 pm

invaded and annexed.?. Oh you mean the West Bank in the 67 war which was then part of Jordan or the Gaza Strip that was governed by Egypt? Seems Gaza was given back to the Palestinians in 2005. How did that work out?? As for the West Bank, imagine if you will that Israel didn't take that in the 67 War. How do you think the Yom Kippur war of 73 would have worked out?? What's that missile count now out of Gaza from Hamas? 2000+?? with around 400 dropping short and landing within Gaza.. I wonder how many of the noted civilian casualties were caused by those short rounds...
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Udon Map » May 16, 2021, 5:03 pm

tamada wrote:
May 16, 2021, 8:01 am
"If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race."
Agreed. I never suggested otherwise, though others may have. The stated aim of the Palestinians is to eliminate both Israel and all Jews. I suggest that it doesn't matter whether Jews are a race, religion, ethnic group, cultural group, or otherwise.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 16, 2021, 7:15 pm

Udon Map wrote:
May 16, 2021, 5:03 pm
tamada wrote:
May 16, 2021, 8:01 am
"If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race."
Agreed.
I never suggested otherwise, though others may have. The stated aim of the Palestinians is to eliminate both Israel and all Jews. I suggest that it doesn't matter whether Jews are a race, religion, ethnic group, cultural group, or otherwise.
Pretty pointless argument Tam, its like saying Christians are a race or Muslims are a race. Point being that most Muslims would not mind if the Jews were confined to the West, same as they would like all Christians and followers of Buddha the same. Its only when the likes of ISIS start the ethnic cleansing even of fellow Muslims when they start to invade does it become serious.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 16, 2021, 7:18 pm

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14367 ... protestors

There we go these two halfwits ably supported by the Pratt must mean there is support for terrorism on a global scale.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by jackspratt » May 17, 2021, 8:03 am

AlexO wrote:
May 15, 2021, 11:59 pm
Sick of arguing with you. Last post on the subject, ......... Bye Pratt.
Well that didn't last long. 🤣

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 17, 2021, 9:06 am

AlexO wrote:
May 15, 2021, 11:59 pm
Sick of arguing with you. Last post on the subject, will bow to most of the UM members who recognise you as a racist. Keep trying to insult me, just makes you look worse. Bye Pratt.
Jack is not one of those. False accusations will not help advance your point of view
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 17, 2021, 11:41 am

AlexO wrote:
May 16, 2021, 7:15 pm
Udon Map wrote:
May 16, 2021, 5:03 pm
tamada wrote:
May 16, 2021, 8:01 am
"If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race."
Agreed.
I never suggested otherwise, though others may have. The stated aim of the Palestinians is to eliminate both Israel and all Jews. I suggest that it doesn't matter whether Jews are a race, religion, ethnic group, cultural group, or otherwise.
Pretty pointless argument Tam, its like saying Christians are a race or Muslims are a race. Point being that most Muslims would not mind if the Jews were confined to the West, same as they would like all Christians and followers of Buddha the same. Its only when the likes of ISIS start the ethnic cleansing even of fellow Muslims when they start to invade does it become serious.
I was simply trying to counter your repeated calling another member with a differing opinion as being racist in earlier debate in this thread which is specifically about Israel. Rather than "it doesn't matter", race here is totally irrelevant.

With regard to another member's argument that the "stated aim of the Palestinians is to eliminate both Israel and all Jews." It's the stated aim of Hammas to eliminate both Israel and all Jews. Despite my being an infidel, I think it's illogical to progress this argument that all Palestinians want this.

After the SNP won their fourth consecutive election in Scotland, it's illogical to say that "all Scots want independence" but it doesn't stop their ideologues claiming as much. I hate these broad brush analogies.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by rick » May 17, 2021, 12:19 pm

If Israel really believed in equal rights, it would treat all people in the Palestinian territories equally and give all Palestinians a vote in the Knesset. That's never going to happen. The reason why Israel agreed (sort of) to giving Gaza and PARTS of the west bank back to the Palestinians was mainly to avoid Arabs becoming a demographic majority. If you lumped Israel, the West Bank and Gaza together, their would be slightly over 4 million Jews and 4 million Arabs. This doesn't count all the Palestinians living as refugees in other countries.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 17, 2021, 12:21 pm

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by FrazeeDK » May 17, 2021, 3:39 pm

All Palestinians living in Israel that are Israeli citizens have the right to vote. They have a small party in the Knesset. As for non-citizen Palestinians, it goes without saying that they don't have the right to vote in Israel proper. Those in the West Bank or Gaza under Fatah or Hamas governance have the right to vote there although they haven't had an election since January 2006.. About 21% of Israeli citizens are of Arab/Palestinian origin.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by rick » May 17, 2021, 8:03 pm

And if Israel had not agreed to relinquished Gaza and the West Bank, and given the Arabs there the vote, they would have a massive problem......

In an opinion poll conducted in 2019, 27% of Israelis wanted to annex the West Bank, but most of them did not want to give Palestinians there the vote. Very Democratic. A further 15% wanted to just annex Area C of the west bank, which contains 60% of the West Bank area but only 10% of the Palestinian population. Just another land grab.

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by tamada » May 17, 2021, 10:07 pm

(Spoiler alert for Alex0)

Meanwhile, in Jerusalem...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... y-identity

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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Declan MacPherson » May 18, 2021, 7:31 am



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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » May 18, 2021, 8:57 am

This is excellent. Thanks.
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Re: How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

Post by AlexO » May 18, 2021, 9:05 am

tamada wrote:
May 17, 2021, 10:07 pm
(Spoiler alert for Alex0)

Meanwhile, in Jerusalem...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... y-identity
Lucy Garbett is a Palestinian researcher at the London School of Economics and Social Science based in Jerusalem.

A researcher in the hot bed of Marxist and ultra left wing thinking at the LSESS who lives in Jerusalem publishes an article in the Guardian and we are all supposed to believe it?? AYE RIGHT.

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