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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by Whistler » June 5, 2020, 1:41 pm

cjd01 wrote:
June 5, 2020, 1:30 pm
Whistler
"There are thirty seven million African Americans in the USA, these attitudes are what these last ten days have been all about. The brutal murder of a black man was a spark that ignited a powder keg that has been in the making for generations"
scary time again agree with you
I'm sure however your take is that Trump ignited it, don't know but he is a divisive character but he's sure had a lot of help, Lots of agenda at play.
Trump did not start it, but he sure fanned the flames.

Imagine what would have happened if he said

'Look, I understand that you are going to protest and respect that. All I ask is to keep in mind, not all police in the USA are like the ones involved in this nasty incident. Keep your protest peaceful and you will be respected by all Americans for standing up for your rights, don't throw that respect away, it will weaken your cause'

Instead he stated 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts'

Then he brutalizes people at Lafayette park so he can do a lame photo op in front of a church that has since condemned him. He has now guaranteed his demise on Nov 3.


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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by cjd01 » June 5, 2020, 1:42 pm

anefarious1 wrote:
June 5, 2020, 1:35 pm
cjd01 wrote:
June 5, 2020, 1:18 pm
Anefarious1
"If Trump had his way it would literally be a crime to criticize him on TV or any other form of media. And he's your boy!"
once again only your entitled to opinion, Ive never heard him say any of that but if you can point me in the right direction I'll gladly accept it. On the other hand it does appear to me (my opinion) that anything resembling non Trump rhetoric is not treated quite so well.
How closely have you followed Trump on social media over the years? You honestly do not believe he has authoritarian tendencies?
Honestly not before and not now, however he has been called a brash New Yorker many times seem that's a New York trait don't know true or not.
But social media including here seem to be a forum for dogmatic people.

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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by semperfiguy » June 5, 2020, 1:47 pm

Bangkok braces for Black Lives Matter rally! It's all fine and dandy so long as all the violence is happening 10,000 miles away. Now let's see how we feel when it's knocking at our front door. I'm anxious for the Thai police and military to show the rest of the world how to handle these people when the rioting and looting starts.

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Post by Whistler » June 5, 2020, 2:05 pm

Semp.

Geeze Semp, you must love violence on the part of the police and military. Not much of a display of Christian tolerance.

Isn't that the motivation to join the marines? wear your country's uniform, travel the word and kill people.

Your posts keep reinforcing the notion that you are one very sick puppy.
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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by cjd01 » June 5, 2020, 2:09 pm

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"Look, I understand that you are going to protest and respect that. All I ask is to keep in mind, not all police in the USA are like the ones involved in this nasty incident. Keep your protest peaceful and you will be respected by all Americans for standing up for your rights, don't throw that respect away, it will weaken your cause'"

Sure this tactic would have worked if he were communicating with a gentlemen such as yourself.

"Instead he stated 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts'"

Only a threat if you intend looting

"Then he brutalizes people at Lafayette park so he can do a lame photo op in front of a church that has since condemned him.""
And you can read his mind, could have been a publicity stunt gone wrong.

" He has now guaranteed his demise on Nov 3."

If there are as many white racist supremacists as is being contended maybe not.

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Post by Whistler » June 5, 2020, 2:19 pm

CJ,

That was a peaceful, legal protest. firing tear gas and rubber bullets indiscriminately is not a publicity stunt, assaulting members of the press is hardly the tactic to conduct a publicity stunt, what it was is an appalling abuse of authority.

There was no merit in what he did and he rightly been condemned by both sides of politics for that abuse.
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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by cjd01 » June 5, 2020, 2:30 pm

Whistler wrote:
June 5, 2020, 2:19 pm
CJ,

That was a peaceful, legal protest. firing tear gas and rubber bullets indiscriminately is not a publicity stunt, assaulting members of the press is hardly the tactic to conduct a publicity stunt, what it was is an appalling abuse of authority.

There was no merit in what he did and he rightly been condemned by both sides of politics for that abuse.
In no way condone what happened to these people, however the day before some not so peaceful events took place in this area and protesters (looters and arsonists) were dispersed. In that scenario how is it discernible who is a protester or who is a provocateur by the way if the authorities tell you to move on are you still legally able to resist?

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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by semperfiguy » June 5, 2020, 2:30 pm

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
newtovillagelife wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:35 pm
cjd01 wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:26 pm
Actually I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out, it's a shame we can't view the Tucker Carlson piece it does bring a lot of these killings into perceptive especially the arrests of police and the non arrests.
Well what is tells us is that the African American population is disproportionately killed by the Police.
I have to disagree with that assumption. What it tells us is that Blacks are involved in a disproportionate amount of crime which involves them in a disproportionate amount of confrontations with the police which results in a disproportionate number of deaths compared to the population of the race. The main issue here is police killings of unarmed Blacks where the killings may be construed as suspect, and last year there were only 9 Blacks killed under those circumstances. What the figure don't bear out then is the remainder of the 235 incidents involved Blacks brandishing a weapon in the commission of a crime. If you commit a crime with a weapon and come across the police, then you deserve the outcome. Surely there is no one here who would dispute that.

George Floyd was a career criminal with a rap sheet a mile long and several stints in prison, the longest being 5 years for joining in with a group of Blacks that forced their way into the apartment of a Black pregnant woman. Floyd stuck a gun to her belly and held her down while the rest of the gang ransacked her apartment looking for drugs and money. Both of his autopsies showed traces of Fentanyl and methamphetamines. After he was pulled from his vehicle, cuffed and sat on the sidewalk, there is CCTV footage of him trying to toss a baggy filled with a white substance. Bystanders testify that he was zonked out of his mind and delirious. The guy was also a well-know porn star. Did he deserve to die like he did....absolutely not. However, let's not make this guy out to be some kind of hero that we should be looking up to when he was nothing but a career criminal and a thug. One can't live this kind of lifestyle without the risk of confrontation by police. Criminal behavior has consequences!
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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by cjd01 » June 5, 2020, 3:05 pm

whimperer
Sorry as usual have to argue and run but as you have been kind enough over time to share some of your personal interactions I'd like to share one of mine.
In the seventies as a younger and hansum warrior I joined a peaceful protest in Brisbane against the Bjelke-Petersen government we were told we didn't have a permit to protest but because it was our right we did so anyway, after an hour or so of chanting our slogans etc a charming 120kg police officer hit me over the head with his baton and I was luckily offered hospitality in the Brisbane court cells where some other fine officers entertained me with their boots. The following morning I was convicted of assault police and marching without a permit luckily it was not recorded sentence.
To live in society we have to conform somewhat, if not the consequences become increasingly severer sometimes resulting in the ultimate punishment.

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Re: America coming apart at the seams?

Post by Udon Map » June 5, 2020, 3:54 pm

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
After he was pulled from his vehicle, cuffed and sat on the sidewalk, there is CCTV footage of him trying to toss a baggy filled with a white substance.
Did you see any video that showed him doing that? I didn't. Do you have a link to this allegation?

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
Bystanders testify that he was zonked out of his mind and delirious.
Again, I watched the videos and didn't see any bystanders saying anything like that. He was speaking in parts of it, and didn't sound delirious, drunk, on drugs, or anything similar. He spoke normally, as you can hear on multiple videos. Nor did Floyd appear to be acting that way. Do you have a link to this allegation?

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
The guy was also a well-know porn star.
I've seen the links and video which supposedly show this, at least their titles do. Nothing there. The titles are clickbait. Do you have a link to any information about this?

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Post by Whistler » June 5, 2020, 3:59 pm

cjd01 wrote:
June 5, 2020, 2:30 pm
Whistler wrote:
June 5, 2020, 2:19 pm
CJ,

That was a peaceful, legal protest. firing tear gas and rubber bullets indiscriminately is not a publicity stunt, assaulting members of the press is hardly the tactic to conduct a publicity stunt, what it was is an appalling abuse of authority.

There was no merit in what he did and he rightly been condemned by both sides of politics for that abuse.
In no way condone what happened to these people, however the day before some not so peaceful events took place in this area and protesters (looters and arsonists) were dispersed. In that scenario how is it discernible who is a protester or who is a provocateur by the way if the authorities tell you to move on are you still legally able to resist?
You bet your right you can refuse, if you are doing nothing illegal the police have no power to arbitrarily order you to do anything. Even in this authoritarian country I have told a cop to fu.k off when he tried to intimidate me, he walked away when he realised that I knew my rights. Not the same at all when stacks of cops with riot gear, tear gas and guns, I would have run for my life facing that show of force, but still illegal no matter how intimidating it was.

I cannot understand why are you linking other events to this one? Plain a simple, the protesters were doing nothing illegal, what others may have done in the past has no bearing on the illegality of the exercise by the cops in tear gassing and shooting rubber bullets. The reporters who were running away from the gassing were shot in the back with rubber bullets, cowardly and disgraceful.
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Post by newtovillagelife » June 5, 2020, 4:12 pm

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 2:30 pm
semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
newtovillagelife wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:35 pm
cjd01 wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:26 pm
Actually I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out, it's a shame we can't view the Tucker Carlson piece it does bring a lot of these killings into perceptive especially the arrests of police and the non arrests.
Well what is tells us is that the African American population is disproportionately killed by the Police.
I have to disagree with that assumption. What it tells us is that Blacks are involved in a disproportionate amount of crime which involves them in a disproportionate amount of confrontations with the police which results in a disproportionate number of deaths compared to the population of the race. The main issue here is police killings of unarmed Blacks where the killings may be construed as suspect, and last year there were only 9 Blacks killed under those circumstances. What the figure don't bear out then is the remainder of the 235 incidents involved Blacks brandishing a weapon in the commission of a crime. If you commit a crime with a weapon and come across the police, then you deserve the outcome. Surely there is no one here who would dispute that.

George Floyd was a career criminal with a rap sheet a mile long and several stints in prison, the longest being 5 years for joining in with a group of Blacks that forced their way into the apartment of a Black pregnant woman. Floyd stuck a gun to her belly and held her down while the rest of the gang ransacked her apartment looking for drugs and money. Both of his autopsies showed traces of Fentanyl and methamphetamines. After he was pulled from his vehicle, cuffed and sat on the sidewalk, there is CCTV footage of him trying to toss a baggy filled with a white substance. Bystanders testify that he was zonked out of his mind and delirious. The guy was also a well-know porn star. Did he deserve to die like he did....absolutely not. However, let's not make this guy out to be some kind of hero that we should be looking up to when he was nothing but a career criminal and a thug. One can't live this kind of lifestyle without the risk of confrontation by police. Criminal behavior has consequences!
Semperfiguy have you watched the documentary 13th by netflix, it's free on youtube . After watching that documentary I was disgusted with the way Americans have continued to treat Blacks. Anyways I would like your opinion on it. it seems White America has just weaponized the 13th amendment by using a loop hole, what a dirty stain on the US.

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Post by semperfiguy » June 5, 2020, 4:25 pm

Udon Map wrote:
June 5, 2020, 3:54 pm
semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
After he was pulled from his vehicle, cuffed and sat on the sidewalk, there is CCTV footage of him trying to toss a baggy filled with a white substance.
Did you see any video that showed him doing that? I didn't. Do you have a link to this allegation?

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
Bystanders testify that he was zonked out of his mind and delirious.
Again, I watched the videos and didn't see any bystanders saying anything like that. He was speaking in parts of it, and didn't sound delirious, drunk, on drugs, or anything similar. He spoke normally, as you can hear on multiple videos. Nor did Floyd appear to be acting that way. Do you have a link to this allegation?

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
The guy was also a well-know porn star.
I've seen the links and video which supposedly show this, at least their titles do. Nothing there. The titles are clickbait. Do you have a link to any information about this?

DROPPING DRUGS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-6cRu_m_QE

PORNSTAR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmdmZMnZbOw

https://iharare.com/george-floyd-was-a-porn-star/

Two proofs out of three isn't bad. Can't seem to find the other ones right now. Big tech is censoring his past as fast as it can be posted. All the rest is proof enough that this guy was no angel. In the YouTube video under PORNSTAR there is also more damning evidence that he was part of a gang called Young Risk Takers. The confirmations are out there if you look deeply enough. The mass media is not going to share this with you. Their omission of the facts is not evidence that it didn't happen. Some folks are going to be really upset that their "darling" martyr is not the squeaky clean image of sainthood that has been pushed on them. The 4 cops will have their day in court and justice will be meted out. I pray they get what they deserve, but let's dispel the myth that Floyd is a hero of any sorts....he's not!
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Post by newtovillagelife » June 5, 2020, 4:30 pm

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 4:25 pm
Udon Map wrote:
June 5, 2020, 3:54 pm
semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
After he was pulled from his vehicle, cuffed and sat on the sidewalk, there is CCTV footage of him trying to toss a baggy filled with a white substance.
Did you see any video that showed him doing that? I didn't. Do you have a link to this allegation?

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
Bystanders testify that he was zonked out of his mind and delirious.
Again, I watched the videos and didn't see any bystanders saying anything like that. He was speaking in parts of it, and didn't sound delirious, drunk, on drugs, or anything similar. He spoke normally, as you can hear on multiple videos. Nor did Floyd appear to be acting that way. Do you have a link to this allegation?

semperfiguy wrote:
June 5, 2020, 12:42 pm
The guy was also a well-know porn star.
I've seen the links and video which supposedly show this, at least their titles do. Nothing there. The titles are clickbait. Do you have a link to any information about this?

DROPPING DRUGS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-6cRu_m_QE

PORNSTAR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmdmZMnZbOw

https://iharare.com/george-floyd-was-a-porn-star/

Two proofs out of three isn't bad. Can't seem to find the other ones right now. All the rest is proof enough that this guy was no angel. The confirmations are out there if you look deeply enough. The mass media is not going to share this with you. Their omission of the facts is not evidence that it didn't happen.

We will see how Justice is served, you right wing closed minded flake. You must be real upset that outright Slavery in the US is over.

Here's a great idea!!!

Robert Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment Television, told CNBC on Monday the U.S. government should provide $14 trillion of reparations for slavery to help reduce racial inequality.

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Post by RLTrader » June 5, 2020, 4:45 pm

They passed the USA PATRIOT Act – and I did nothing because I am a patriot.

They passed the USA Freedom Act – and I believe in freedom.

They nominated Hillary Clinton – and I voted for the lesser evil.

They declared medical martial law – and I didn’t want to kill grandma.

They said to wear a facemask – and I passively obeyed.

I believe Joe Biden – because I am a liberal.

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Post by Doodoo » June 5, 2020, 5:18 pm

No matter what the problem is, what the cause is Black Man , White Man, Yellow or Brown man, Russian. Algerian. Chinese, American, Mexican, Indian (east or west) It always comes down to one thing and one thing only

MONEY!!!!!

All this Lives Matter, Save the Children, Peace for All, God is on our side, Allah for all, Dengue, Covid, Ebola are smoke screens and all they want is

MONEY!!!!!

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Post by Whistler » June 5, 2020, 5:19 pm

It doesn't matter what George Floyd's background was, police are not allowed to murder anybody, and that is what they have been charged with.

Semp,

You falsely claim to be a christian, but plainly disagree with the fifth commandment. CINO!
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Post by RLTrader » June 5, 2020, 5:24 pm

RLTrader wrote:
June 5, 2020, 4:45 pm
They passed the USA PATRIOT Act – and I did nothing because I am a patriot.

They passed the USA Freedom Act – and I believe in freedom.

They nominated Hillary Clinton – and I voted for the lesser evil.

They declared medical martial law – and I didn’t want to kill grandma.

They said to wear a facemask – and I passively obeyed.

I believe Joe Biden – because I am a liberal.

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Post by newtovillagelife » June 5, 2020, 5:43 pm

Whistler wrote:
June 5, 2020, 5:19 pm
It doesn't matter what George Floyd's background was, police are not allowed to murder anybody, and that is what they have been charged with.

Semp,

You falsely claim to be a christian, but plainly disagree with the fifth commandment. CINO!
Semper, remember, I know it’s hard to swallow, but Jesus wasn’t White.

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