ClimateChange - EndTime 2050 - Disturbing Report Sheds Light on

[glalt]

When is global warming going to reach upcountry Thailand? I'm freezing my buns off.

[RLTrader]

Would think one would be overjoyed with a high of 80ºF and a low of near 60ºF while nearing the shortest day in the year. Maybe its just me.

[saint]

Depends how long youve been here i guess . If your used to 90 plus day and night for months on end , then it is bloody cold .

[RLTrader]

'Everything is Burning': Australian Inferno Continues, Choking Off Access to Cities Across Country and

"These fires are likely to continue to spread well past Christmas."
by
Eoin Higgins, staff writer

Australia is on fire.

The country on Saturday saw delayed flights on the second day of a national state of emergency due to raging brushfires near every major city and choked out smoke conditions.

Australian reporter Saffron Howden used a map from the Government of Western Australia to show how the blazes have ringed the entire continent.

As Common Dreams reported Thursday, Australia just endured a heat wave that broke records for temperature in consecutive days.

"I think this is the single loudest alarm bell I've ever heard on global heating," said Kees van der Leun, a director at the American consultancy firm Navigant.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... LXWFpHTtVE#

[jackspratt]

No worries mate - our smirking, coal worshipping Prime Minister has everything under control, now that he is back from holidays.

[TJ]

[vidmaster]

If it’s proven all this crap about CC,can anyone answer the following:-Why are people still being conned into investing in pension schemes?
Why are Pension Funds advertising to the under 25’s?
Why are Govts undertaking huge infrastructure projects that can take 20/30 years to plan and complete?( other than to put money into corporate coffers and keep the brown envelopes circulating)
Why do corporates continue to invest in Research & Development?

[papafarang]

No worries mate - our smirking, coal worshipping Prime Minister has everything under control, now that he is back from holidays.

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Give the guy a hose and send him out. Another so called leader on the list of 'WTF' leaders on this planet. Watched a couple of news items on the poor people losing everything they have, and this leader sitting on a beach. I can't believe that he actually said he had to keep his promised kids holiday..did it slip his mind he was in charge ?. Sad to see Aussies standing in piles of ashes that used to be their life on Christmas eve

[jackspratt]

If it’s proven all this crap about CC,can anyone answer the following:-Why are people still being conned into investing in pension schemes?
Why are Pension Funds advertising to the under 25’s?
Why are Govts undertaking huge infrastructure projects that can take 20/30 years to plan and complete?( other than to put money into corporate coffers and keep the brown envelopes circulating)
Why do corporates continue to invest in Research & Development?

5 minutes of open minded research, and you could find the answers yourself. You may find it a bit confronting.

While you are at it, you could research why banks globally are refusing to finance new dirty energy projects, and insurance companies are refusing to insure them.

[vidmaster]

My minds been open for years and still can’t find the answers, even using Googly
Banks & Insurance companies decisions are financially & actuarially based

[maaka]

Vidmaster, its the old head in the sand way of thinking, and greedy insurance companies..
me, I told our government 20yrs ago, we were headed down the ruddy gurglar, but do you think anyone is listening..Nah
never talk to anyone that isnt going to listen, as you're just wasting your time...me to governments I mean..

[jackspratt]

Give the guy a hose and send him out. Another so called leader on the list of 'WTF' leaders on this planet. Watched a couple of news items on the poor people losing everything they have, and this leader sitting on a beach. I can't believe that he actually said he had to keep his promised kids holiday..did it slip his mind he was in charge ?. Sad to see Aussies standing in piles of ashes that used to be their life on Christmas eve

A devastating take down of the Australian Prime Minister - with which I totally agree.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/people/ ... 2020191224

........ He’s a small man, a man who uses his wife and children as cover for his own bad decisions, who runs away when the heat is on.

He’s no more or less than a shill for the coal industry. When they gave him the only clean coal on the planet, a carefully varnished piece of black rock, he was a big man in Parliament waving it in all our faces: His dark master, our black future.

But when the gates of hell opened, he was in Hawaii, a little man making hang loose signs, reportedly saying fires were a state, not federal, issue.

He may be our elected Prime Minister. But he is no leader. And no matter how many die this summer his position will not change............

[AlexO]

If it’s proven all this crap about CC,can anyone answer the following:-Why are people still being conned into investing in pension schemes?

5 minutes of open minded research, and you could find the answers yourself. You may find it a bit confronting.

While you are at it, you could research why banks globally are refusing to finance new dirty energy projects, and insurance companies are refusing to insure them.

Does it really matter what the West does to reduce their already virtually neutral emissions while China and India alone account for nearly 70% of all CO2 emissions world wide. The Chinese are building a new coal fired power station each week aided hugely by Australia who quite happily dig up their Country and sell the coal to China. A wee bit like Scotland's Sturgeon who claims Scotland will be fossil fuel free by 2030 but we will not stop extracting oil, we will just sell it to other Countries to use ????? Great help to Global CC that one Eh? Of greater worry is the huge forest and bush fires which not only pour huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere but also destroy some of the absorption capability we used to have.

[Udon Map]

Does it really matter what the West does to reduce their already virtually neutral emissions while China and India alone account for nearly 70% of all CO2 emissions world wide.

Yes, it does. You have to start somewhere. And while it might not matter much, it's better than doing nothing, if only marginally better. Sort of like buying a PowerBall ticket. Your chances of winning are miniscule; but they're still greater than zero, which is what your chances would be if you didn't buy the ticket.

[AlexO]

Does it really matter what the West does to reduce their already virtually neutral emissions while China and India alone account for nearly 70% of all CO2 emissions world wide.

Yes, it does. You have to start somewhere. And while it might not matter much, it's better than doing nothing, if only marginally better. Sort of like buying a PowerBall ticket. Your chances of winning are miniscule; but they're still greater than zero, which is what your chances would be if you didn't buy the ticket.

We already started years ago, Green tax on flights, Green taxes on manufacturers, Green taxes on distributers all adding to final costs whereas all our emerging nation competitors claim we started it and they should be allowed a free hand nowadays to undercut our cleaner industries. Just look at Paris last week. Does not fill you full of optimism for the future does it??. There is only so much that can be done by individual Nations and I am afraid there is very little chance of Worldwide agreements on any kind of actions. Just look at SEA, are we going to stop rural area's from cutting down tree's, producing charcoal and then burning same charcoal on their cooking fires, a triple hit as far as I can see. Been saying for years nuclear power stations are the only way forward, but who is going to trust many of the Worlds Countries with looking after a plant. The how to stop the major polluters is the 1000$ question. Do we the West stop selling coal or oil to them. You guys tried that in the 40's with Japan and that did not end well.

[jackspratt]

You are right, Alex.

Every country needs to sit back, and wait for the next country (sovereign state) to do something positive about the very real danger of global warming.

In 50 years, when our kids/grandkids are saying WTF, and the world has tipped over, we can say sorry from our grave or ashes box.

This is coming from a citizen of a country which (in ecological terms) is a disgrace and blight on the rest of the world.

[AlexO]

You are right, Alex.

Every country needs to sit back, and wait for the next country (sovereign state) to do something positive about the very real danger of global warming.

In 50 years, when our kids/grandkids are saying WTF, and the world has tipped over, we can say sorry from our grave or ashes box.

This is coming from a citizen of a country which (in ecological terms) is a disgrace and blight on the rest of the world.

Don't know how to take that statement Spratt. We in the West have seriously been bending over to ensure our Carbon Footprint on the world from within our own frontiers is extremely negligible in comparisment to the emerging Nations. But, I can understand where D.T. is coming from when he says we will not cause job losses or uncompetitive price rises compared to your main competion Nations to the USA. If you cannot afford to house, feed and educate your kids are you really going to be that bothered about Climate Change. In my humble view we live on an evolving, living Planet that has changed millions of times over 4 billion years and some wee 16 year old snarly Swedish lassie who reads notes written by others is not going to change things. You guys stop selling coal and iron ore to China, the rest of us stop being so dependent on oil and gas might help but when it gets down to it the cleanest Blue Water force in the World is the good old USofA with their clean surface and subsurface Nuclear Fleet. But, that has a Carbon Footprint as well to provide/construct just the the same. What do you think the carbon footprint of billions of battery powered cars is going to be? Only 3 regimes in recent times have attempted to return the people what could be termed Carbon Neutral, Stalin, Mau Z Tung and Pol Pot, anyone fancy that again. We are past the point of no return we are just prolonging the agony. We need to find a way as a species to handle the changes to ensure survival.

[AlexO]

You are right, Alex.

Every country needs to sit back, and wait for the next country (sovereign state) to do something positive about the very real danger of global warming.

In 50 years, when our kids/grandkids are saying WTF, and the world has tipped over, we can say sorry from our grave or ashes box.

This is coming from a citizen of a country which (in ecological terms) is a disgrace and blight on the rest of the world.

So what do you think we should do. Look after Aussie mining jobs, oil workers and the National incomes to Nations who have the resources or just shut the whole lot down, cause bitter strife to those who depend on those resources for jobs ,income, ability to feed families etc and just see what happens. Does Aus have enough resources to defend its
self against a Chinese invasion (nope unless you count throwing lumps of coal at them) Will the Yanks spend billions in treasure and blood to try and defend an Island thousands of miles from its Pacific shores, probably not. They will be too busy defending their homeland. There is no easy, obvious answer to this coming impasse and if it goes the wrong way a slow gradual change to some climates will be the least of our problems.

[jackspratt]

The latest report from the IPCC makes alarming reading.

Make of it what you will.

KEY FINDINGS

- Global warming is on track to reach 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels by the early 2030s

- About 41 per cent of all CO2 emitted since the Industrial Revolution is from the past 30 years

- Greenhouse gas emissions are responsible for about 1.1 degrees of warming since between 1850 and 1900

- Greenhouse gas levels are higher than they have been in the past 800,000 years

- It is unequivocal that human activity has warmed the atmosphere, land and ocean

- The best-case of five global emissions scenarios equals 1.6 degrees of warming within 20 years, dropping to below 1.5 degrees by the end of the century

- The worst-case scenario shows likely warming of 4.4 degrees by 2100

- Climate change will bring more intense rainfall, flooding and sea level rise will continue

- Further warming will amplify permafrost thawing, the loss of seasonal snow cover, ocean acidification, and ice sheet and glacier melt

- The Arctic is warming faster than any other part of the world

- Globally, the sea level has already increased by 20cm

- It’s on track to increase by another 30cm to one metre, or more, by the end of the century depending on future emissions.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/08 ... ming-ipcc/

[glalt]

I get tired of these gloom and doom stories. Famine and starvation has existed for hundreds and probably thousands of years. As the population continues to increase, it is likely to get worse. Mother Nature is indeed cruel. If the land will not support overpopulation, people will die. I can't see a lack of food in any civilized country. Marginal land is idle because no one can make any money farming it. If crop prices were to increase because of shortages more of this land would be put to use. Fertile farmland is being created every day by cutting down the forests. That is a double edged sword. Less oxygen and more CO2. The only hungry people here in Thailand are people who live in the cities. My wife farms quite a bit of land and she has a really difficult time finding workers for her farms. The jobs exist but there are few takers.

The good thing about more CO2 is that farm crops like the CO2 and warmer weather. Rising oceans? Cities like Bangkok will suffer. Bangkok has been sinking for many years and eventually Bangkok will likely have dikes surrounding it. People who pay astronomical money to live on the beaches will just have to pack up and move inland.

There is no doubt in my mind that people will adapt and survive. Wildlife and fish are fairly quick to adapt. Unfortunately many larger animals will die because people drive them out of their natural habitat. Mother Nature is much smarter than she is given credit for. Only the strong survive. Some areas have way more water than they want or need and other areas are very dry. It's always been that way and that's not likely to change. And as always, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That too is not going to change.