Wikileaks

[jackspratt]

Why is Assmange hiding?

The last refuge of the witless poster - to play on someone's real, or Forum name.

You really need to lift your game Tex, if you are seeking even a modicum of credibility.

[hangsaboot]

vice president joe biden , has made the first public admission on NBC,
that the obama administration is seeking to bring charges against julian assange
for making public , " secret documents ".

wilki leaks computers ,,, weapons of mass distruction ?

[cookie]

and wikileaks again proves how multinational corporations use governments all over the World as their owned and payed for business tool......

Monsanto used the US government for their own proper business use: incredible indeed, this proves again how these corporate multinationals simply have bought Governments to work for them !!!!!

US threatened ‘retaliation’ to bully EU into accepting biotech crops, cable shows;

others would simply call it "bullying"...and then some are wondering about some kind of hate-reactions against these bullying tactics....

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2007/12/07PARIS4723.html

In this confidential communication dated Dec. 14, 2007 and released by WikiLeaks on Sunday, then-US Ambassador to France Craig Roberts Stapleton recommended creating the list if France and the EU continued to ban biotech seeds.

Reacting to a French pledge to represent the "common interest" in considering biotech foods, a former US ambassador recommended publishing a "retaliation list" of European locations where genetically modified organisms (GMOs) were being grown in hopes that activists would destroy them and "cause some pain" for officials, a leaked diplomatic cable shows.

dirty politics being played for only one reason: a multinational will make more profit:
Is there more proof needed to show the greed and corruption at the highest Government levels?????

Thank you Wikileaks !!!!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
What clearer evidence that corporations control our governments?

[JimboPSM]

Simple irony, shooting oneself in the foot, or just a clever headline?

Fom an Associated Press (AP) article:

WikiLeaks' Assange complains he's victim of leaks

LONDON (AP) — It has come to this: Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, is complaining that someone leaked a Swedish police report on his alleged sexual offenses.

Original article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... a2e044adcb

[cookie]

1) and here we have Jimbo again at his best:
trying to compare Public vs. personal;
Apples vs. oranges.

2) irony indeed that some people still don't get it or try to pull you away from the story:

The leaks are the story not Assange.

of course they will try to do whatever they can to shoot the messenger
and try to forget the message itself as soon as possible....little hypocrite isn't it.

Incredible how the media insists on a soap opera about his life,
not the evil that government­s do behind closed doors.
one wonders where the interests of this media is????

Wiki Leaks is trying to get the journalist­s of the world to do their job
and demand better from those who control things ( Multinational corporations, corporate media, governments,...)
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
again, can't wait for the secret information of the Banks (Bank of America and Co.)
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[old-timer]

1) and here we have Jimbo again at his best:
trying to compare Public vs. personal;
Apples vs. oranges.

2) irony indeed that some people still don't get it or try to pull you away from the story:

The leaks are the story not Assange.

of course they will try to do whatever they can to shoot the messenger
and try to forget the message itself as soon as possible....little hypocrite isn't it.

Incredible how the media insists on a soap opera about his life,
not the evil that government­s do behind closed doors.
one wonders where the interests of this media is????

Wiki Leaks is trying to get the journalist­s of the world to do their job
and demand better from those who control things ( Multinational corporations, corporate media, governments,...)
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
again, can't wait for the secret information of the Banks (Bank of America and Co.)
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

why do people think that putting more than one smiley, full stop or question mark will make the point more. One is enough or it makes you look like a div. It's not even english, is it?

OT..........

[KHONDAHM]

Bank of America is allegedly confirmed as the bank about which the very damaging information is about. Short financial sector and make some lewt.

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very strange indeed when you think a bit more about it.
Wikileaks was created in 2006.
Even in 2007 they posted several leaks about the War in Afghanistan.
But no one was really going after him (just a bunch of spitting and sputtering from "outraged", embarrassed politician­s)
until he mentioned banks.
that seemed to change everything!!!
(Suddenly Worldwide actions from: Paypal, Amazon, Bank Of America, swiss banks, swedish prosecutors,...)
Funny isn't it. :-" :-"

[cookie]

WikiLeaks: How U.S. tried to stop Spain's torture probe

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/25/1 ... -stop.html

— It was three months into Barack Obama's presidency, and the administration -- under pressure to do something about alleged abuses in Bush-era interrogation policies -- turned to a Florida senator to deliver a sensitive message to Spain:

Don't indict former President George W. Bush's legal brain trust for alleged torture in the treatment of war on terror detainees, warned Mel Martinez on one of his frequent trips to Madrid. Doing so would chill U.S.-Spanish relations.

Obama, The USA,....
what a joke
where is The rule of law!
Truth and justice!
The shining beacon of liberty!
what a joke indeed.
This sounds more and more like an empire in peril that still tries to impose it's will WITHOUT ANY RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW....
Obama tried to stop a Spanish judge from investigating the Bush torture.
There really seems to be no end to the arrogance!
This clearly proves that the US democracy is nothing more than an empire trying to imposing it’s will on the rest of the World and will go to any lengths to do so!
and if they have to forget the rule of law or justice, they will do it.
Shame on you Obama !!!!

[cookie]

. A telecommunications company, for example, may not refuse phone or broadband service to an organization it dislikes, arguing that it amounts to risky business.

but:

a bank’s ability to block payments to a legal entity raises a troubling prospect

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opini ... &st=Search

The whistle-blowing Web site WikiLeaks has not been convicted of a crime. The Justice Department has not even pressed charges over its disclosure of confidential State Department communications. Nonetheless, the financial industry is trying to shut it down.


Visa, MasterCard and PayPal announced in the past few weeks that they would not process any transaction intended for WikiLeaks. Earlier this month, Bank of America decided to join the group, arguing that WikiLeaks may be doing things that are “inconsistent with our internal policies for processing payments.”

the arrogance of these corporations is without limits
No corporation should have ANY right to deny the People rights to free speech =D> =D>
where is the rule of law?
are corporations now the police, judge and jury at the same time???

"What would happen if a clutch of big banks decided that a particularly irksome blogger or other organization was 'too risky'?" they asked. "What if they decided — one by one — to shut down financial access to a newspaper that was about to reveal irksome truths about their operations? This decision should not be left solely up to business-as-usual among the banks."

Every day more and more proof that the Government is working for the Corporations, and not for the People!!

[jackspratt]

Jack, the Globe and Mail would be in the centre with the National Post on the right, the Toronto Daily Star left of centre ..........................

Tilo I assume the Toronto Star and Toronto Daily Star are one and the same.

If so, it would seem they employ a very gullible "Legal Affairs" reporter - or maybe naive is a better word.

Thailand’s deposed Prime Minister relaxes and waits
Published On Thu Jan 06 2011

Tracey Tyler Legal Affairs Reporter

Life in self-imposed exile is pleasantly laid back and far from lonely, says Thaksin Shinawatra, Thailand’s deposed prime minister, who remains a hero to many in that country’s “Red Shirt” movement.

The 61-year-old former leader has kept a low profile since being ousted in a military coup Sept. 19, 2006, but spoke to the Toronto Star in an exclusive interview from his Mideast exile.............

and

Thaksin, a former billionaire businessman, distanced himself Thursday from direct involvement in any political movement.

He insisted he is not advising members of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), the formal name for the Red Shirts, who enjoy wide support among Thailand’s rural poor and working class.

“I don’t know them,” he said............

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/917 ... -and-waits

[RLTrader]

the arrogance of these corporations is without limits
No corporation should have ANY right to deny the People rights to free speech =D> =D>
where is the rule of law?
are corporations now the police, judge and jury at the same time???

Learned that a long, long time ago, when after moving to Atlanta was refused a checking account, even with a large deposit and a current checking account in Boston. Had some strange idea that it was illegal, it was a good wakeup call. Now I understood how and why those check cashing ripoff places existed.

and just in case, No, I never bounced a check, just had a low credit rating at the time, I guess, for they would give no reason, and said that they didn't need to give a reason, and guess what, they were correct by Georgia law.

[jingjai]

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europ ... s.banking/

WikiLeaks Promises To Reveal Swiss Banking Secrets

By the CNN Wire Staff
January 17, 2011 -- Updated 1527 GMT (2327 HKT)
London (CNN) -- A Swiss whistle-blower Monday handed over what he said were secret Swiss banking records to WikiLeaks, the website dedicated to revealing secrets.

Swiss banker Rudolf Elmer handed two discs to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at a news conference in London.

WikiLeaks could release the secret Swiss banking records in "a matter of weeks" if it can process them quickly enough, Assange said.

Elmer said he would not reveal the names in the records and said he was unable to say how many people were involved.

He said about 2,000 clients' records were included, but that because of the way trusts and corporations are set up, he could not determine how many individuals were involved.

Elmer describes himself as an activist/reformer/banker.

"I think, as a banker, I do have the right to stand up if something is wrong," he said Monday, explaining why he was giving the documents to the website.

Elmer is due to go on trial Wednesday in Switzerland for violating the country's banking secrecy regulations.

He said he wanted "to let society know what I do know and how this system works because it is damaging our society in the way that money is moved" and hidden in offshore jurisdictions.

He began looking into the issue when he was a banker in the Cayman Islands, he said.

When he first looked into the problems of offshore banking he said it looked like "a mouse tail," but as he investigated in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland, it became a "dragon's tail," and finally a many-headed dragon.

Speaking at the same news conference, lawyer Jack Blum said it was not always possible to determine who, if anyone, had engaged in "criminal tax evasion."

Elmer aims to "challenge Swiss Bank Secrecy at the European Court of Human Rights and the Swiss courts," he says on his website. He has worked at six offshore banking centers, he says.

He has been engaged in a long-running battle with Swiss banks over secrecy, he said.

He said he had approached tax authorities and universities with his data, but that no one was interested. He was about to give up, he said, when he learned about WikiLeaks from a friend.

He said he was "grateful" to WikiLeaks for helping him "send the message which I wanted to send," but that he was not trying to use it for "protection" as he faced prosecution.

[KHONDAHM]

You know...I have noticed as I am sure many of you have (or should have) that "the powers that be" in American media have successfully and utterly made Wikileaks the story and are almost completely ignoring what is being released. The American public, except for the very few who consume information from the very few independent news outlets, remains completely oblivious. They may have heard about Wikileaks, but haven't the faintest idea what is being released or the implications and impact it "should" have on them, governments, policy, or anything else for that matter.

It would not be a stretch to say the people of N Korea, Cuba, and China know or care more about the information than the citizenry of the Land of the Clueless. Yep, our 3 generation long reign is not far from ending...

[Laan Yaa Mo]

China has a lot of peasants, factory workers and so on that could not care less about the released material. For the more politically aware in China, their government is trying to limit access as the government is not always shown in the best light.

The people of North Korea...really?!? Do you honestly think they are openly discussing and debating the information about the United States of America? Do you have any idea how limited their access is to 'sensitive' material?

Cuba...come on Khon Dahm, what planet are you living on anyway?!?

Stop being silly. 55555

[RLTrader]

Couple of links to what Seymour Hersh (Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist) had to say

http://www.infowars.com/seymour-hersh-r ... overnment/

and

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... _unleashed

but of course it is being called "a rambling, conspiracy-laden diatribe".

[KHONDAHM]

No, that IS the point (I hope you did not miss it). Americans are generally less concerned than even those people are.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

There is much truth in what you say in that the American public is not very well informed about their own, and world, affairs. Their grasp of historical issues is somewhat lacking too although this applies to much of the western world. Nevertheless, I would still argue that the average American is more politically aware than your average Syrian, North Korean, Chinese, Cuban, African and so on. On the other hand, most westerners know less about their own history than Chinese know about theirs. In fact, Chinese, like Israelis, might be the most informed about their past compared to other people around the globe.

[KHONDAHM]

I would Put money on it. Especially about Africans. I recall several conversations when I was in both Sierra Leone and Kenya with ordinary folk just hanging about knowing exactly what was happening around the world and could even name almost every top leader in Washington, a few governors, and could argue with and even correct me about their policies and positions. I was astounded to say the least. You see, in those countries, most people do not have access to TV, so the ones who can, READ. They read everything (!). And those who can read have the responsibility to read aloud to those who cannot. So, please do not think that those plain folk in Africa are clueless. The average Joe Africa could certainly defeat average Joe American College Grad in any sort of current events quiz or debate. I would put money on that.

I also recall encountering a rag vendor in the Philippines who had never been to America but could correctly recall and elaborate on just about every significant event in American history, including dates. A rag vendor. He literally was selling clothing made from old sacks on the street.

You see, the problem is all the ethnocentrism that Americans are indoctrinated with throughout their lives coupled with the lazy box which pushes information out to them and the disappearance of things such as libraries and book stores. Other people spend their time reading if lazy media is unavailable and are far more aware of what goes on than pretty much most Americans.

I happen to be in the US as I type this. I just asked someone college educated, professional, and by all accounts the type who would appear to know a little something a few questions.

Where is Thailand? Somewhere near Japan.
Who are the two Senators for the state? Not sure, but names one who was defeated in a nearby State.
Name and rank the top 3 economies in the world other than the USA. China, Russia, and India.

I had to stop because it was embarrassing. Go ahead! Do your own testing!

[tigerryan]

If a kid can't read and the lights is on then its tha mommas fault. If the kid can't read because the lights is shut off its the daddys fault.