YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by parrot » November 3, 2019, 3:42 pm

"My experience with Microsoft Server and Client Operating Systems is that Microsoft fixes things by releasing upgrades and then you need to fix, replace or abandon all of the things that the upgrade broke. It is a cycle that they keep ongoing. You are left with no choice if you decide to stay with Microsoft because they eventually abandon previous operating systems"

Way back when dinosaurs still roamed (1998ish), a co-worker of mine swore he'd never use Windows.....instead did everything the MS dos way. He was definitely old school and no matter the benefits of change, he refused to be part of it. I stuck with Windows through the years......sure there were some hiccups, but each new version was better than the previous (for the most part) and easier to use. Windows 10 is a leap ahead, if you keep it on auto-update. I'm surprised at the number of people who don't auto-update Windows 10 and instead rely on outside spyware/virus software that often slows Windows to a creep. Now with things like google docs and drive and chrome, my computer could crash and burn and I wouldn't miss a beat.



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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by pf-flyer » November 3, 2019, 7:28 pm

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"My experience with Microsoft Server and Client Operating Systems is that Microsoft fixes things by releasing upgrades and then you need to fix, replace or abandon all of the things that the upgrade broke. It is a cycle that they keep ongoing. You are left with no choice if you decide to stay with Microsoft because they eventually abandon previous operating systems"

Way back when dinosaurs still roamed (1998ish), a co-worker of mine swore he'd never use Windows.....instead did everything the MS dos way. He was definitely old school and no matter the benefits of change, he refused to be part of it. I stuck with Windows through the years......sure there were some hiccups, but each new version was better than the previous (for the most part) and easier to use. Windows 10 is a leap ahead, if you keep it on auto-update. I'm surprised at the number of people who don't auto-update Windows 10 and instead rely on outside spyware/virus software that often slows Windows to a creep. Now with things like google docs and drive and chrome, my computer could crash and burn and I wouldn't miss a beat.
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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by sometimewoodworker » November 3, 2019, 9:10 pm

parrot wrote:
November 3, 2019, 3:42 pm
"Windows 10 is a leap ahead, if you keep it on auto-update. I'm surprised at the number of people who don't auto-update Windows 10 and instead rely on outside spyware/virus software that often slows Windows to a creep.
Microsoft has made it virtually impossible to have a windows 10 install that doesn’t update, you can certainly delay the updates for a while, often 30 days, but even business licenses don’t let you stop updates permanently.

You only way to reliably not update Win10 is to keep the computer off the ‘net or have a machine that is old enough that it cannot run later versions of Win10, but even then it is still getting security updates.

FWIW I do have at least one instance of Win10 that hasn’t updated since 2018 because I never mount the VM to an online machine.
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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by sometimewoodworker » November 3, 2019, 9:34 pm

It will be interesting to see if Microsoft follows Apple’s lead in macOS Catalina by having a locked partition with the core OS on it with symbolic links to it from the data partition.

It is definitely making life more difficult for the evil hacking community.
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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by Whistler » November 3, 2019, 9:53 pm

Parrot, WPS is also free as a desktop product. Advantage, you don't need to be online.
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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by Stantheman » November 3, 2019, 10:09 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote:
November 3, 2019, 9:10 pm
parrot wrote:
November 3, 2019, 3:42 pm
"Windows 10 is a leap ahead, if you keep it on auto-update. I'm surprised at the number of people who don't auto-update Windows 10 and instead rely on outside spyware/virus software that often slows Windows to a creep.
Microsoft has made it virtually impossible to have a windows 10 install that doesn’t update, you can certainly delay the updates for a while, often 30 days, but even business licenses don’t let you stop updates permanently.

You only way to reliably not update Win10 is to keep the computer off the ‘net or have a machine that is old enough that it cannot run later versions of Win10, but even then it is still getting security updates.

FWIW I do have at least one instance of Win10 that hasn’t updated since 2018 because I never mount the VM to an online machine.
Just as an FYI I can have my laptop not do updates for Windows 10 forever if I want, I just tell Windows that the wifi is on a metered network

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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by Whistler » November 4, 2019, 4:26 pm

pf-flyer wrote:
November 3, 2019, 7:28 pm

My roots are on Digital Equipment Corporation ULTRIX OS ( UNIX ). You can really get down into the nuts and bolts with UNIX. I like what one of the Computer Science professors that I worked with said. " You can dig down in and control what the damn thing is doing. "
Nice to hear, I was a System Engineer for DEC myself, badge number 67889. A VAX specialist.

I always though Ken Olson (truly lovely man) made two big mistakes, dismissing PC's as the future and going Ultrix instead of Unix. These of course were commercial decisions, Ken was a brilliant engineer.
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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by parrot » November 4, 2019, 5:08 pm

Whistler wrote:
November 3, 2019, 9:53 pm
Parrot, WPS is also free as a desktop product. Advantage, you don't need to be online.
Thanks for the tip. I understand there's a way to use google docs offline as well......back in the daze, online wasn't always available.....but today, about the only time I find myself offline is when I'm on an airplane.

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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by Whistler » November 4, 2019, 8:08 pm

pf-flyer and I both worked for DEC, they invented the first time sharing (IE. Online) computer called a PDP-6 in the 1970's. Online has been around for a very long time.

First PDP-6 went into a site in Perth with a guy called Max Burnett. Max was employee no 11 I believe, for Digital. He sold the machine, installed it and supported it and went on to become managing director for DEC in Oz. He became my boss in 1978.

So Australia was the first to have a time sharing (on-line)computer.

So Parrot, everything old is new again, so much technology from the '60's and '70's is bigger, faster etc, but the foundations have great history. Kinda like the internal combustion engine that is now around 120 years old, still ignites a vapour of petrol and air with a spark plug, still has inlet and outlet valves, timing mechanism etc. Computers in the twentieth first century are massive improvements on technology, but still based on core architectures that are now over 60 years old.
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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by Stantheman » November 5, 2019, 3:42 am

Whistler wrote:
November 4, 2019, 8:08 pm
pf-flyer and I both worked for DEC, they invented the first time sharing (IE. Online) computer called a PDP-6 in the 1970's. Online has been around for a very long time.

First PDP-6 went into a site in Perth with a guy called Max Burnett. Max was employee no 11 I believe, for Digital. He sold the machine, installed it and supported it and went on to become managing director for DEC in Oz. He became my boss in 1978.

So Australia was the first to have a time sharing (on-line)computer.

So Parrot, everything old is new again, so much technology from the '60's and '70's is bigger, faster etc, but the foundations have great history. Kinda like the internal combustion engine that is now around 120 years old, still ignites a vapour of petrol and air with a spark plug, still has inlet and outlet valves, timing mechanism etc. Computers in the twentieth first century are massive improvements on technology, but still based on core architectures that are now over 60 years old.
Mot sure what you consider an "Online" computer but the U.S.Air Force had what we called online in 1967, the Univac 1050-II

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Re: YOU WILL BE FORCED TO UPGRADE FROM WIN 7 TO 10

Post by Whistler » November 5, 2019, 9:59 am

Stantheman,

Batch processing was where data was loaded into a computer as one step, then the data was processed by a separate program.

Online is where data is processed as it is entered via a terminal or in some cases another smart device. We also used to call these 'time sharing' computers although that term covered other IT processes as well.

Univac, Digital and Control Data were all well in advance of IBM in that respect in the early 60's. Sadly mergers swallowed up many of the early players, Univac merged with Burroughs to form Unisys they no long make computers, Digital was taken over by Compaq, who were then bought by Hewlett-Packard but the hardware is still around and kicking, CDC went I know not where, Honeywell got purchased by Groupe Bull in France. Britains GE, ICL & a pioneer Leo have all disappeared as computer hardware vendors. I am talking about large scale systems here, not personal systems like Commodore etc which has also had its history of defunct companies.

Even IBM has seriously reduced its range with PC's and MS based servers flogged off tho Lenovo.
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