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Post by RLTrader » April 11, 2020, 6:52 am

UKC News: Indefinite Lockdown? COVID-19 Special Edition
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Re: UKC News: Indefinite Lockdown? COVID-19 Special Edition

Post by sometimewoodworker » April 11, 2020, 7:08 am

Promoting more Fake news?
Analysis / Bias

21st Century Wire is an alternative news website that rejects the consensus of science regarding climate change and also promotes the conspiracy that mainstream media is publishing fake news. This source has also received an unproven claim by Snopes, which 21st Century Wire considers a questionable source. The website Fort Liberty has placed 21st Century Wire on it’s Fake News/Hoax list. 21st Century employs somewhat sensational headlines and does provide sourcing to attempt to support claims, however most are to themselves. The primary issue is that 21st Century publishes some questionable stories (see examples above) that are embedded among legitimate stories they publish. This can mislead the reader.

A factual search reveals 21st Century Wire has a poor record with fact checkers. (D. Van Zandt 7/20/2016)

(Dennis Kelly): 21st Century Wire is a conspiracy and fake news website with an extreme right bias. Additionally, their headlines are sensationalist and largely misleading.
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Re: UKC News: Indefinite Lockdown? COVID-19 Special Edition

Post by tamada » April 11, 2020, 7:30 am

^ Who is D. Van Zandt?
Who is Dennis Kelly?

Can you post links to any fact-checking websites that you recommend fellow members can use to check for the political bias or credibility of online opinion and news outlets such as 21st Century Wire, zerohedge, etc.?

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Re: UKC News: Indefinite Lockdown? COVID-19 Special Edition

Post by sometimewoodworker » April 11, 2020, 7:39 am

tamada wrote:
April 11, 2020, 7:30 am
^ Who is D. Van Zandt?
Who is Dennis Kelly?

Can you post links to any fact-checking websites that you recommend fellow members can use to check for the political bias or credibility of online opinion and news outlets such as 21st Century Wire, zerohedge, etc.?
Snopes https://www.snopes.com/ may be the best

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Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by RLTrader » April 12, 2020, 1:22 pm

Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models
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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by jackspratt » April 12, 2020, 1:35 pm

RLTrader wrote:
April 12, 2020, 1:22 pm
Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were | Zero Hedge

Evil Google / Twitter trying to suppress this report or anything else from zero hedge web site. Safe to click, trust me? :D
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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by Whistler » April 12, 2020, 1:54 pm

In line with a severe Flu season....Pigs arse! No wonder zerohedge.com has been blocked, it is a serial offender as a source of misinformation

290,000 to 650,000 worldwide deaths from common flu each year. COVID 19 killed 108,000 in around 2 months.
Common flu very, very often is the final cause of death from those suffering other complaints like Alzheimer, Heart conditions and other severe ailments, especially those who are aged. COVID is attacking perfectly healthy people at a rate that the common flu comes nowhere near matching. COVID is 10 times deadlier than the flu, plus many times more contagious.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-f ... every-year
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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by FrazeeDK » April 12, 2020, 4:24 pm

I haven't seen a full stastical breakdown of deaths showing ages and pre-existing conditions but anecdotally it appears older people with other complications are dying at a higher rate. Younger folks and healthier folks not nearly as much.
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Post by RLTrader » April 12, 2020, 4:55 pm

If one was to look at the photo it says "NY Projections"
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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by fdimike » April 12, 2020, 8:03 pm

RL this virus is nothing at all like the flu. There are now more than 20,000 dead in the Us as a result of this virus. i would hardly characterize it as a severe flu.
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Post by Doodoo » April 12, 2020, 10:27 pm

FDMIKE
Statistics are
Not that you ought to take influenza lightly. Flu season in the US, which runs from October through May, claims tens of thousands of lives every year. This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses. Add to that the misery of hundreds of thousands of flu-related hospitalizations and millions of medical visits for flu symptoms this season.
2017 /2018 61,000 FLU

They are different Flu and Virus

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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by sometimewoodworker » April 12, 2020, 11:27 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:
April 12, 2020, 4:24 pm
I haven't seen a full stastical breakdown of deaths showing ages and pre-existing conditions but anecdotally it appears older people with other complications are dying at a higher rate. Younger folks and healthier folks not nearly as much.
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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » April 13, 2020, 3:43 am

RLTrader wrote:
April 12, 2020, 10:44 pm
fdimike wrote:
April 12, 2020, 8:03 pm
RL this virus is nothing at all like the flu. There are now more than 20,000 dead in the Us as a result of this virus. i would hardly characterize it as a severe flu.
OK, (Doctor) mike, So you also drank the KoolAid?
or are you now an "Expert in Medical Science"?

Starting to remind me of the SciFi movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" ©1978 with "Donald Sutherland"
Now what was that sound they made when they found a non-believer? Might be time for us all to re-watch?

https://0123movies.gdn/invasion-of-the- ... hers-1978/
I prefer the original black and white version of the Invasion. The original movie had a political message in that the body snatchers were similar to Soviet communists who took over your minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OouTay_7_hw

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Re: Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were

Post by Khun Paul » April 13, 2020, 6:30 am

It is difficult in fact nigh on impossible to predict how this VIRUS ( one of the Coronavirus family same as Flu ) will act. In fact initially those with pre-existing respiratory problems were deemed most at risk, they still are plus many other un-related health problems, even now it seems those with NO health problems at all. Maybe it is in your genes, who knows and in any event those details and possible problems will not be diagnosed until much later.

Therefore any prediction by anyone will be at best, best guess estimate and are to be taken with a large pinch of salt and treated not with scepticism but with a questioning mind .

I am not surprised that most polls, graphs and other assorted information coming out of anywhere is not right, and in any event we all know that STATISICS can be made or cobbled together to prove almost anything,

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Post by parrot » April 13, 2020, 6:42 am

Not to mention different diets, different customs like handshakes/wais, rural versus city, etc etc. So if only 99,999 people die in the US versus the 100,000-200,000 as predicted by the WH, Trump will take credit for holding down the impact. Any way you look at it, though, that's 99,999 people that died in the US as a result of Covid and many tens of thousands that died elsewhere in the world. Chances are few if anyone on this forum knows of a casualty. We're not out of the woods on this yet.....too early to be counting our chickens.

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Post by papafarang » April 13, 2020, 6:53 am

Emergency field hospitals set up in parks , navy medical ship in the docks, ice rinks used as morgues ,mass graves. Yes quite normal every year .
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Post by Drunk Monkey » April 13, 2020, 7:01 am

A worrying thought .. is a second wave infection ..

Lets say a country who if the low numbers are accurate has either dodged a bullet or acted swiftly chooses to ease restrictions , the only way this can be done is to 100% seal off it borders TOTALLY... the risk is a country that depends on tourism then allows visitors to return with a different strain and it all starts again... you dont need to be Einstein to realize which country im talking about ...

IMO the lock downs and restrictions will be with us at least another month or 2 or 3 .. my concern is how accurate are the numbers relating to cases n deaths in the rural areas and non hospitalized deaths.

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Post by papafarang » April 13, 2020, 7:25 am

Very true Jon , even if Thailand manages to become virus' free ,as long as it's still out there it could return not good news.
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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » April 13, 2020, 9:08 am

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