New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by mech_401 » May 22, 2020, 12:00 am

definitely not the flu . must be quite terrifying
being stuck in one of those assisted-living places
not a nice way to go . it's wicked thing unleashed



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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by GT93 » May 22, 2020, 3:43 am

Working in these places would also be really scary as well.

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by mickojak » May 22, 2020, 7:55 am

Whistler wrote:
May 21, 2020, 10:47 pm
Does anybody now still argue that it is just the flu?
It's way to early to judge yet.
Numbers coming from USA are hard to verify, as every death of someone is attributed to Corona virus, if they have it, whether their death was actually caused by it or not.

Also, we have a vaccine for the flu, and world herd immunity, so actual flu death numbers don't compare to Corona virus death numbers as we don't have a vaccine for it.

Only when we have a Corona virus vaccine, and world herd immunity, will we be able to accurately compare the two viruses.

Need to wait a while yet
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Doodoo » May 22, 2020, 8:43 am

Mick
You stated that we have a vaccine for the flu which is true in a sense. But as seen
"CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well the influenza (flu) vaccine protects against flu illness. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine."

As for "herd Immunity" In general, this means that when increased numbers of people in certain areas have already been infected and recovered, or have been vaccinated, fewer will become sick. we are not sure yet if individuals can become ill 2 or 3 times
Thererfore we havent a clue about Corona, SARS, MARS We may never find a vaccine for any or all and will have to learn how to live with these diseases

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by mickojak » May 22, 2020, 8:54 am

Correct Doodoo,

Until we have an even playing field, we really can't compare.
Who knows?

Only time will tell

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by noosard » May 22, 2020, 8:56 am

The flu shot does not stop one getting the flu
what it does is makes the immune system more resistant to the new strain of flu

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Whistler » May 22, 2020, 12:12 pm

mickojak wrote:
May 22, 2020, 7:55 am
Whistler wrote:
May 21, 2020, 10:47 pm
Does anybody now still argue that it is just the flu?
It's way to early to judge yet.
Numbers coming from USA are hard to verify, as every death of someone is attributed to Corona virus, if they have it, whether their death was actually caused by it or not.

Also, we have a vaccine for the flu, and world herd immunity, so actual flu death numbers don't compare to Corona virus death numbers as we don't have a vaccine for it.

Only when we have a Corona virus vaccine, and world herd immunity, will we be able to accurately compare the two viruses.

Need to wait a while yet
Mick
A'hemm.

So what you are saying, is it is not just the flu, my very point.
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Whistler » May 22, 2020, 12:28 pm

The only country to embrace the Herd Immunity at the moment is Sweden. There is nothing in their stats that indicate it is working. There is also a lot of studies that have shown that 'herd immunity' is no guarantee that you cannot get COVID more than once, your system does not always build antibodies. Top this off with the damage done to recovered patients in terms of organ damage and the argument for HI is looking thin.

Other countries that did not take action are Belarus (who's death figures are not credible) and Brazil, in all countries the toll is crazy high

These are the daily stats since March 1 for Sweden

Date day mth year cases deaths
21/05/2020 21 5 2020 724 88
20/05/2020 20 5 2020 422 45
19/05/2020 19 5 2020 234 19
18/05/2020 18 5 2020 466 5
17/05/2020 17 5 2020 470 28
16/05/2020 16 5 2020 625 117
15/05/2020 15 5 2020 673 69
14/05/2020 14 5 2020 637 147
13/05/2020 13 5 2020 602 57
12/05/2020 12 5 2020 348 31
11/05/2020 11 5 2020 401 5
10/05/2020 10 5 2020 656 45
9/05/2020 9 5 2020 642 135
8/05/2020 8 5 2020 705 99
7/05/2020 7 5 2020 702 87
6/05/2020 6 5 2020 495 85
5/05/2020 5 5 2020 404 90
4/05/2020 4 5 2020 235 10
3/05/2020 3 5 2020 562 16
2/05/2020 2 5 2020 428 67
1/05/2020 1 5 2020 790 124
30/04/2020 30 4 2020 681 107
29/04/2020 29 4 2020 695 81
28/04/2020 28 4 2020 286 80
27/04/2020 27 4 2020 463 2
26/04/2020 26 4 2020 610 40
25/04/2020 25 4 2020 812 131
24/04/2020 24 4 2020 751 84
23/04/2020 23 4 2020 682 172
22/04/2020 22 4 2020 545 185
21/04/2020 21 4 2020 392 40
20/04/2020 20 4 2020 563 29
19/04/2020 19 4 2020 606 111
18/04/2020 18 4 2020 676 67
17/04/2020 17 4 2020 613 130
16/04/2020 16 4 2020 482 170
15/04/2020 15 4 2020 497 114
14/04/2020 14 4 2020 465 20
13/04/2020 13 4 2020 332 12
12/04/2020 12 4 2020 466 17
11/04/2020 11 4 2020 544 77
10/04/2020 10 4 2020 722 106
9/04/2020 9 4 2020 726 96
8/04/2020 8 4 2020 487 114
7/04/2020 7 4 2020 376 76
6/04/2020 6 4 2020 387 28
5/04/2020 5 4 2020 365 40
4/04/2020 4 4 2020 612 51
3/04/2020 3 4 2020 519 43
2/04/2020 2 4 2020 512 59
1/04/2020 1 4 2020 407 34
31/03/2020 31 3 2020 328 36
30/03/2020 30 3 2020 253 8
29/03/2020 29 3 2020 401 10
28/03/2020 28 3 2020 240 26
27/03/2020 27 3 2020 296 24
26/03/2020 26 3 2020 238 6
25/03/2020 25 3 2020 256 11
24/03/2020 24 3 2020 110 4
23/03/2020 23 3 2020 160 1
22/03/2020 22 3 2020 123 4
21/03/2020 21 3 2020 200 6
20/03/2020 20 3 2020 122 0
19/03/2020 19 3 2020 134 2
18/03/2020 18 3 2020 46 1
17/03/2020 17 3 2020 89 4
16/03/2020 16 3 2020 108 2
15/03/2020 15 3 2020 149 0
14/03/2020 14 3 2020 155 0
13/03/2020 13 3 2020 158 0
12/03/2020 12 3 2020 136 1
11/03/2020 11 3 2020 78 0
10/03/2020 10 3 2020 45 0
9/03/2020 9 3 2020 42 0
8/03/2020 8 3 2020 24 0
7/03/2020 7 3 2020 76 0
6/03/2020 6 3 2020 26 0
5/03/2020 5 3 2020 11 0
4/03/2020 4 3 2020 9 0
3/03/2020 3 3 2020 1 0
2/03/2020 2 3 2020 1 0
1/03/2020 1 3 2020 1 0
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by RLTrader » May 22, 2020, 1:42 pm

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Marcosteffano » May 22, 2020, 2:52 pm

Yes it's only a flu from a bat.https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Whistler » May 22, 2020, 3:00 pm

Yes RL,

The graph looks like it may prove the point. Take into consideration the following two points

1. Average life expectancy is constantly improving, average life expectancy in Sweden is over 80, with median age being 41. So drop over the reported years is inline with most other countries in the developed world.

2. We are are only part into 2020 but already there is a sharp jump in deaths from 2019.

3. The infection numbers and death numbers have leveled out a bit, but they have leveled out at a very high level, whereas in all neighboring countries, the levels of both infections and deaths has dropped dramatically.

There is nothing in any of the stats that indicate herd immunity is working. I could cherry pick articles that are critical of the HI approach, there are plenty of them. There may be some who cling to this myth, but so far, those critical of the approach are in the very clear majority.
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by mickojak » May 22, 2020, 3:15 pm

Whistler wrote:
May 22, 2020, 12:12 pm
A'hemm.

So what you are saying, is it is not just the flu, my very point.
Incorrect.
When the current flu, as we know it, first hit the human population, it would have had the same result, although there were less people on the earth at the time.
Hence, why they developed a vaccine.

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Whistler » May 22, 2020, 3:18 pm

If it were just the flu or a variant of it, the flu vaccine would work, as it is not 'just the flu' it is a new type of virus.

It is not 'Just the Flu'
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by mickojak » May 22, 2020, 3:20 pm

It's a new type of Flu.
Not rocket science

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Whistler » May 22, 2020, 4:47 pm

mickojak wrote:
May 22, 2020, 3:20 pm
It's a new type of Flu.
Not rocket science
No, its medical science. Unless you know more than the qualified scientists, it is not the flu

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... vs-the-flu
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by mickojak » May 22, 2020, 5:00 pm

The heading, "just another flu" wasn't mean't to say it was another strain of flu, it was a general comment that it is another virus with the same consequences as the flu. And I will be proven true, given sufficient time. A general comment, not a medical conclusion.

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Whistler » May 22, 2020, 5:06 pm

Good, we agree, it's not just the flu at 3:20 you were saying it's a new type of flu. Months ago you were saying it's just the flu like all the other neo-con d1ckheads.

You were wrong then, and you were wrong again today.

It's not just the flu
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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by Doodoo » May 22, 2020, 5:13 pm

Scene: Intensive Care Unit (ICU)
Sights and Sounds:
Beep Beep Beep (sound of heart beat on a machine)
Crying from concerned individuals surrounding the bed
Hospital Personnel rushing around dealing with other patients
The scene begins
Bam speaks whimpering "Doctor will she/he pull through, My Father's sons nephews Daughter's son?"
Doctor who was last seen on Accuweather responds " He/she has a 60/40/30% chance"

Doctor continues "We know she/he was struck by a 10 wheel 10 ton Isuzu truck but is it the Flu or is it Corona that will kill him/Her? "
The scenne fades out to a river flowing calmly by
Until next episode

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by tamada » May 22, 2020, 5:49 pm

^^^ PS: still haven't seen the Feb/Mar NBL Covid-19 death confirmed yet.

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Re: New research on Corona Virus. It's just another Flu

Post by tamada » May 22, 2020, 6:52 pm

tamada wrote:
May 22, 2020, 5:49 pm
^^^ PS: still haven't seen the Feb/Mar NBL Covid-19 death confirmed yet.
Anyone?

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