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Post by pipoz4444 » October 7, 2020, 11:15 am

Maybe a glimmer of hope and a recognition of the present reality

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/303 ... l_referral

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Post by pipoz4444 » October 8, 2020, 3:00 pm

I would suggest that the Post Covid 19 Administration, will be very severe and intolerant on those who are in Thailand without the correct Work Visas and or on those without the correct documentation for their Permission to Stay

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Post by pipoz4444 » October 10, 2020, 7:51 pm

Non Thai - Foreign Property Owners: Non-B Visa

Ownership Documentation: A copy of the Chanote Title with your name on it should do the trick, given my understanding is that a Condo Blue Book can only contain a Thai Persons Name and will not allow a Foreigners Name to be included in it. I assume Condo Ownership is one of the primary criteria for a Foreigner being considered for re-entry.

Bank Statement with 3.0M TB in Thai Bank Account: Shouldn’t be an issue if one already owns property (a Condo) in Thailand. I assume this is the other primary criteria for consideration for re-entry.

Bank Statement from Abroad showing Balance of TB 500,000: Not sure why this would be required, in addition to the first two, if they are really assessing a person’s worth, based on his Ownership of a Property in Thailand and his 3.0 Mill TB in Thai Bank Savings. Maybe just more added paperwork.

Medical Insurance: OK what seems to be the Standard USD 100,000 worth of Medical insurance in order to enter Thailand, some sort of new norm for Foreigners wishing to re-enter

Then off to get a Non-B Visa, which will be good for ………………(How long??)

Let's see how this one takes shape, over the next few months


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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by anefarious1 » October 10, 2020, 8:13 pm

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October 10, 2020, 7:51 pm
Non Thai - Foreign Property Owners: Non-B Visa

Ownership Documentation: A copy of the Chanote Title with your name on it should do the trick, given my understanding is that a Condo Blue Book can only contain a Thai Persons Name and will not allow a Foreigners Name to be included in it. I assume Condo Ownership is one of the primary criteria for a Foreigner being considered for re-entry.

Bank Statement with 3.0M TB in Thai Bank Account: Shouldn’t be an issue if one already owns property (a Condo) in Thailand. I assume this is the other primary criteria for consideration for re-entry.

Bank Statement from Abroad showing Balance of TB 500,000: Not sure why this would be required, in addition to the first two, if they are really assessing a person’s worth, based on his Ownership of a Property in Thailand and his 3.0 Mill TB in Thai Bank Savings. Maybe just more added paperwork.

Medical Insurance: OK what seems to be the Standard USD 100,000 worth of Medical insurance in order to enter Thailand, some sort of new norm for Foreigners wishing to re-enter

Then off to get a Non-B Visa, which will be good for ………………(How long??)

Let's see how this one takes shape, over the next few months


https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/118679 ... paign=news

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Are they out of their minds? Why would anyone keep 3 million baht in a Thai bank? I see lots of condos being sold in absentia next year.

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » October 10, 2020, 10:23 pm

I would say that it is more about trying to assure the property market and potential investors, that they can continue too use their properties as Foreigners and also at the same time try to keep potential investors, interested in buying onto the market.

I doubt that it will contribute to any significant part, to the 38 Million number of incoming Tourists per year, as was in 2019

They must know what makes up the bulk of the 38 Million incoming tourist, i.e. what are groups or types of Travelers and where they come from. They should also know their respective ethnicity, how long each group stays in Thailand on average and also when they travel as a country. This should tell them who is most likely to come back and when (if they do open their borders). Call it a Casino approach.

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Post by pipoz4444 » October 21, 2020, 11:28 am

Found this on a Web Link dated 17 Sept 2020, and assume it is recent.

These appear (and I say appear) to be the latest rules for re-entry to Cambodia as a Tourist

(A) I am reasonably sure that A1 and A2 will be a mandatory requirement for any Traveler/Tourist in the future for years to come. I think they can relax A3 from 14 days to 7 Day with a few more test thrown in, after your initial Covid-19 test on arrival.

(E) Makes sense in principal and I only hope other Countries adopt it. A mores realistic amount of specific Insurance whilst you are there as a Traveler, although I would prefer they expand it to give the traveler more choice as to where he buys the Insurance from. But at only $90 to cover you holiday, its not a deal breaker.

(B) Is still an issue and a deterrent and I can't see the point on needing both (B) and (E) if (E) does actually give you the correct Insurance cover. Surely you should be able to get one Insurance Package to cover the costs in (B) 1 and whatever (E) covers. Its possible that a Travel Insurance Policy, with a maximum coverage limit of US 10,000 (Ten Thousand) for a maximum stay of 30 days, but one including coverage for Covid-19, is the way to go in the future. :-k :-k

I think we are going to see some more reasonable approaches, to the Tourist conditions for re-entry, over the next few months, certainly by end January 2021, as the major Asian tourist destinations start to compete for the Tourists, and also have a close & serious look at how best to get their tourist related businesses back up an running. As one Country relaxes/eases its re entry conditions, it will put pressure on neighboring countries to do they same or similar, if that neighboring country wants to maintain any form a Tourism industry.

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RE: CAMBODIA RE-ENTRY FOR TOURISTS

(A) COVID-19 Testing Entry Requirements
1. All travelers must provide a negative COVID-19 test result issued no more than 72 hours prior to departure
2. All travelers will be given another COVID-19 test upon arrival.
3. If any member of your group tests positive, the entire group will be quarantined at a state run facility for 14 days.

(B) COVID-19 Fee Entry Requirements: All incoming travelers must pay a deposit of US $2,000 upon arrival at the airport.
1. This cost covers mandatory COVID-19 testing and potential treatment services.
These are the government mandated fees in USD for COVID-19 related treatment.
• $165 for mandatory COVID-19 testing.
• $1280 for potential state-run quarantine costs.
• $3,255 potential Covid-19 treatment costs.

( C ) All incoming travelers who test Negative for Covid-19 must self-quarantine for 14 days

(D) All incoming travelers who test Positive (including their group) for Covid-19 must quarantine in a state-run facility/hotel at their own cost.

( E ) All incoming travelers to Cambodia must purchase a Cambodian health insurance package which covers COVID-19 treatment. The package must be 20 days long and costs around $90

Just my two cents worth

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by tamada » October 21, 2020, 3:00 pm

I take all that "bargain" costing and conjecture in the context of what sort of medical care and treatment one can expect if unfortunate enough to flag up as Covid-19 +ve at ANY time in Cambodia. With all the borders still closed, a life flight or medical evacuation would be hellishly expensive.

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » October 21, 2020, 4:23 pm

tamada wrote:
October 21, 2020, 3:00 pm
I take all that "bargain" costing and conjecture in the context of what sort of medical care and treatment one can expect if unfortunate enough to flag up as Covid-19 +ve at ANY time in Cambodia. With all the borders still closed, a life flight or medical evacuation would be hellishly expensive.
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The post was about, what Cambodia is currently proposing as their Rules to re-enter Cambodia and how their Rules or Approach might potentially influence other neighboring Countries, to ease their current rules for Tourists. The post simply offered an insight into how some neighboring Countries might change their Rules or Approach and take a more practicable stance in months with regards to a more affordable maximum insurance cover limit of say US 10,000, as opposed to that touted as $100,000.

The post did not mention or suggest anything about the quality of the Healthcare system in Cambodia or any other Country for that matter, nor should it, which is where you seem to be heading, nor did it reference to or suggest medical evacuation, as part of the any medical insurance limit.

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by tamada » October 21, 2020, 5:58 pm

^ Cambodia needs tourist dollars just as much as Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines needs tourist dollars. I get that.

What Cambodia is proposing is probably commensurate with, A ) the comparatively small size of their tourism industry, and B) their comparatively poor health care system. If we are talking solely about genuine, 2-week, once-a-year tourists, it's probably good enough. Note that these are not the sort of tourists that Thailand wants any more.

My comment was about the comparatively cheap Cambodian insurance requirements being inadequate for the long-term "tourists" of an advanced age who may have been squeezed out of Thailand and looking for an alternative nirvana for their twilight years. Yes, very handy if one can't afford the numbers that Thailand has pulled out of their butts.

I am pretty sure that your reference to "neighbouring countries" means Thailand, this being a Thai-centric forum and all. Maybe not.

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Post by pipoz4444 » October 21, 2020, 7:32 pm

Not sure that centric is the right word. There is a fine line between being, Dumb, Centric, Cautious and or just Smart :guitar: :wave:

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Post by pipoz4444 » October 24, 2020, 10:44 am

Not unexpected. A form of mandatory Travel Insurance for all incoming visitors/tourists, and I suspect for anyone else returning to Thailand on any Visa, where you pay according to the length of stay of your visit.

Extract from TV: A medical insurance policy with at least USD $100,000 coverage or about 3.16 million Baht for possible COVID-19 treatment is among the official documents required from foreign visitors planning to visit Thailand during this challenging public health crisis.

The Thai General Association (TGIA) and the Thai Life Assurance Association (TLAA) plus 16 leading and non-life insurance companies in Thailand are partnering together with the oversight according to regulations from the OIC to offer the COVID-19 insurance protection programme to foreign visitors.

Foreign travelers will enjoy the following advantages of purchasing an OIC-endorsed medical insurance policy, which is available online at https://covid19.tgia.org/:

The OIC-endorsed COVID-19 insurance packages vary from 30 days to one year. The premium ranges from 1,600-4,800 Baht for 30 days of coverage; from 2,880-8,640 Baht for 60 days; from 3,840 – 12,160 Baht for 90 days; from 7,680 – 23,040 Baht for 120 days, and from 14,400 – 43,200 Baht for one year.


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Post by Doodoo » November 2, 2020, 5:10 pm

First sign of the Economy in the toilet

Phuket: "Graveyard Patong" - where even the 7-Eleven is shut

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » November 7, 2020, 11:06 am

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October 3, 2020, 11:08 am
We will have to wait and see how much fact there is to this (the Insurance Policy requirements) and whether it indicates a shift to a softer or less restrictive position by the TG, for those about to re-enter Thailand on the STV and also the general foreign tourist, who may start to re-enter in 3 - 6 months time. [-o<

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/118556 ... paign=news

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I was wondering if any on the Forum know an Expat/Farang who has recently re-entered Thailand from abroad and if so, what type and annual limit of Medical Insurance he/she had to produce on entry, along with where they bought it from. :guitar:

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Re: Post Covid ecomony

Post by pipoz4444 » November 11, 2020, 4:13 pm

New rules for Single Entry Tourist Visa to Thailand now requires foreigners to show funds of 500k THB ++ Certificate of Entry, declaration form, quarantine booking, Fit to Fly Certificate, COVID-19 negative test result and an insurance policy which provides a minimum of 100,000 USD coverage, including for COVID-19.


11 Nov 2020 Extract from "thaivisa" : Foreigners who wish to apply for a Single Entry Tourist Visa (SETV) to Thailand are now required to provide 6 month’s worth of bank statements showing a bank balance of at least 500,000 THB. The jaw dropping new financial requirement has been confirmed on the websites of several Thai embassies around the world.

The SETV allows foreigners to stay in Thailand for up to 60 days from the date of arrival and is valid for 90 days from date of issue. Previously, applicants for the SETV had to show proof they had a balance of at least 20,000 THB or 40,000 THB for families and sometimes, depending on the Thai Embassy or Consulate, this wasn’t asked for.

But now, applicants need to show a bank balance of 500,000 THB or equivalent.

And that’s not all.

Applicants also need to meet all the other requirements necessary for any non-Thai to return to Thailand currently such as, Certificate of Entry, declaration form, quarantine booking, Fit to Fly Certificate, COVID-19 negative test result and an insurance policy which provides a minimum of 100,000 USD coverage, including for COVID-19.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/119165 ... paign=news

This alone will prevent the majority of people from attempting to do a "Visa Run" after 60 or so days. :-k :-k

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Post by pipoz4444 » November 11, 2020, 4:31 pm

This below and the last post appear to be the latest TG information that I can find, related to Foreigners who wish to return to Thailand for either as a Property Owner on a Long Stay arrangement or on a Single Entry Visa for up to 60 Days Visa.

"Foreign Property Owners now allowed to return to Thailand"


10 October 2020 Extract from thaivisa: Foreigners who own property in Thailand have been added to the group of non-Thais who are now able to apply to return to the country.

But before you get too excited, be warned there are a whole host of eye opening requirements that need to be met as part of the application process. The requirements are listed on the website of the Royal Thai Embassy in London and the information provided here is based on someone applying from the UK.

Firstly, property owners need to be able to provide documentation that shows they do indeed own a property, this could be in the form of a house registration book or proof of purchase documentation.

Next, (and this is the first of the eye opening requirements) they need to be able to provide a copy of a bank statement that shows a balance of at least 3 million baht deposited into a Thai bank account.

They also need to show a bank statement from a UK or Irish bank account that has a balance of 500,000 baht for the past 6 months.

They then need to meet all the other requirements necessary for any non-Thai returning to Thailand currently such as, Certificate of Entry, declaration form, quarantine booking, Fit to Fly Certificate, COVID-19 negative test result and an insurance policy which covers COVID-19 and up to 100,000 USD.

Once all of the requirements have been met, the foreign property owner then needs to apply for a Non-B visa to enter Thailand.

While the addition of foreign property owners gives hope to some foreigners to be able return to Thailand, it may do little to help what is arguably one the biggest groups of foreigners stranded outside the kingdom - expat retirees.


For non-Thai who own property in Thailand

While Thailand still puts in place travel restriction, foreigners who own property in Thailand can apply for non-B visa and the Certificate of Entry to go to Thailand.

Required documents :
• Your passport copy
• Copy of property ownership document in Thailand, or proof of purchase of property and relevant documents
• Copy of bank statements of a Thai bank account with deposit at least 3 million baht (approx. £77,000), or Thai government bonds at least 3 million baht
• Copy of bank statement of a UK/Irish bank account with deposit at least 500,000 baht (approx. £12,800) for the past 6 months
• Declaration form
• A copy of flight confirmation
• A copy of ASQ booking confirmation
Please see our visa page for more detail at https://london.thaiembassy.org/en/publi ... rant-visas

What you need to present at airlines check-in counter and upon arrival in Thailand:
• The Certificate of Entry
• Declaration form
• Fit to Fly health certificate, issued within 72 hours before departure – this is a statement by a doctor that you are free from symptoms and fit to fly (must be separate from COVID test)
• COVID-19 test result, with a laboratory output indicating that COVID -19 is not detected (COVID test must be by RT-PCR method), issued within 72 hours before departure
• Copy of your insurance policy which covers COVID-19 and no less than 100,000 USD
• Copy of your confirmed booking at an ASQ hotel
• T.8 form

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/118679 ... -thailand/

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Post by pipoz4444 » November 12, 2020, 4:25 pm

Found this on the web. Might be an indication as to the future short term travel patterns of people during 2021 and maybe beyond

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EXTRACT:

COVID-19 will drastically change travel habits forever

10 November 2020: Flying habits are set to change drastically for the long-term, with eight in ten airline passengers (83%) not expecting to return to their previous travel routines once the COVID-19 pandemic is over. This is just one of the key findings from a new global passenger survey commissioned by Inmarsat......

Improve confidence:-
Only a third (34%) of passengers surveyed have taken a commercial flight since the pandemic began, and this appears to have sparked a shift in attitudes to flying. Four in ten passengers (41%) expect to travel less by any means and a third (31%) plan to fly less. This sentiment is even higher among Asian passengers, with 58 per cent in India and 55 per cent in South Korea planning to travel less in the future.
Despite this change, there are early signs that travelers are beginning to feel confident about flying again; almost half (47%) of passengers surveyed expect to feel ready to fly within the next six months.

Significant variance:-
The study reveals significant variance across the world when it comes to passenger confidence about flying in light of the pandemic[1]. Hungarian and British fliers are most confident, with 26 per cent and 16 per cent respectively saying they would get on a flight today. Asian passengers are less so; over a third (35%) of South Koreans expect not to fly again until COVID-19 disappears.
Travel confidence broadly correlates to levels of public concern about COVID-19. For example, South Koreans and Singaporeans are twice as likely to describe their behaviour in relation to the virus as ‘highly cautious’ than Britons[2].
Passengers are currently more fearful of catching the virus abroad than on the plane[3]. In fact, many think they are at a greater health risk in other environments, such as the gym and public transport[4].

https://www.inmarsat.com/news/covid-19- ... s-forever/

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Post by pipoz4444 » November 15, 2020, 1:24 pm

Maybe a little bit premature, but :-k \:D/

https://www.timeout.com/news/thailand-h ... isa-111220

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Post by Kenr6583 » November 15, 2020, 1:34 pm

pipoz4444 wrote:
November 12, 2020, 4:25 pm
Found this on the web. Might be an indication as to the future short term travel patterns of people during 2021 and maybe beyond


Passenger Cofidence Tracker by Country Ranking Capture.PNG


EXTRACT:

COVID-19 will drastically change travel habits forever

10 November 2020: Flying habits are set to change drastically for the long-term, with eight in ten airline passengers (83%) not expecting to return to their previous travel routines once the COVID-19 pandemic is over. This is just one of the key findings from a new global passenger survey commissioned by Inmarsat......

Improve confidence:-
Only a third (34%) of passengers surveyed have taken a commercial flight since the pandemic began, and this appears to have sparked a shift in attitudes to flying. Four in ten passengers (41%) expect to travel less by any means and a third (31%) plan to fly less. This sentiment is even higher among Asian passengers, with 58 per cent in India and 55 per cent in South Korea planning to travel less in the future.
Despite this change, there are early signs that travelers are beginning to feel confident about flying again; almost half (47%) of passengers surveyed expect to feel ready to fly within the next six months.

Significant variance:-
The study reveals significant variance across the world when it comes to passenger confidence about flying in light of the pandemic[1]. Hungarian and British fliers are most confident, with 26 per cent and 16 per cent respectively saying they would get on a flight today. Asian passengers are less so; over a third (35%) of South Koreans expect not to fly again until COVID-19 disappears.
Travel confidence broadly correlates to levels of public concern about COVID-19. For example, South Koreans and Singaporeans are twice as likely to describe their behaviour in relation to the virus as ‘highly cautious’ than Britons[2].
Passengers are currently more fearful of catching the virus abroad than on the plane[3]. In fact, many think they are at a greater health risk in other environments, such as the gym and public transport[4].

https://www.inmarsat.com/news/covid-19- ... s-forever/

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I think there are two important scenarios that were left off this survey.

1. When airlines lift their travel requirements.
2. When countries lift their entry requirements.

For me personally, these are the only two reasons I won't fly now.

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Post by pipoz4444 » November 15, 2020, 1:58 pm

Agree Ken 6583, the issue of which Airline will be left flying and to where they will fly and how often they will fly that route, remains another uncertainly, and a determining factor in the future of tourism. Likewise Countries reciprocating with their relaxing of the re-entry conditions.

Item 2: Also for me, the only issue preventing me from taking a trip to Thailand, in the near future, is the 14 days Quarantine period when entering Thailand combined with 7 more days Quarantine when I return back to to work, at this end. I would need to take 22 days leave, just to have one days holiday in Thailand, which is simply not an option for me.

Agree, there are a number of pieces to Tourism jigsaw puzzle that need to fall into place, in order for Tourism to return to some form of normality.

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Post by pipoz4444 » November 16, 2020, 12:32 pm

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October 24, 2020, 10:44 am
Not unexpected. A form of mandatory Travel Insurance for all incoming visitors/tourists, and I suspect for anyone else returning to Thailand on any Visa, where you pay according to the length of stay of your visit.

Extract from TV: A medical insurance policy with at least USD $100,000 coverage or about 3.16 million Baht for possible COVID-19 treatment is among the official documents required from foreign visitors planning to visit Thailand during this challenging public health crisis.

The Thai General Association (TGIA) and the Thai Life Assurance Association (TLAA) plus 16 leading and non-life insurance companies in Thailand are partnering together with the oversight according to regulations from the OIC to offer the COVID-19 insurance protection programme to foreign visitors.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/118878 ... paign=news

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For those intending to travel to Thailand in the future and looking at how to obtain the necessary Insurance Cover, for entry, this may be of interest. I suspect it is just one of several, from the 14 or so Insurance Companies participating in the Thai Long Stay programme.

It indicates that you can purchase the Medical Cover for 30 day, 60 Day, 90 Day or longer, depending on you planed length of stay and meets the minimum need of the USD 100,000 cover plus Covid-19.

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