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Post by tamada » June 4, 2021, 10:31 pm

Here's a long-ish read for tomorrow's coffee. Some are questioning why Biden recently declared a need to find out where the virus came from. After the Democrats, liberals and main stream media took a lot of time to debunk what they called conspiracy theories, why are they suddenly trying to put out the fire with gasoline?

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-ori ... -at-wuhan/

Spoiler alert for Alex. This analysis/opinion piece was cited in an opinion piece in the Grauniad.

If the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis is true, expect a political earthquake

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... gins-china

Now go get that eye wash out.



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Post by rick » June 5, 2021, 12:48 am

Vaccination is not necessarily the only factor which affects waves of the Pandemic. In fact, currently it would seem to have little effect. The fall in the number of cases in the Northern Hemisphere is probably more due to summer than vaccine - the first wave died away last year when summer came (not so much in the USA, but Covid control measures were disorganised and too many Covid deniers). The next wave came in the Autumn and winter, started declining in late spring.
Look at the temperate Southern Hemisphere - it is now winter. Australia and New Zealand are ok, because the virus is pretty well under full control with very few cases. In South America, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay have all had new rising waves of infection as winter approached. Chile and Uruguay both have high vaccination rates, (50% and 30%) but that didn't stop it. Only lowered the death toll a bit.

The lesson to be learned is that most waves of infection happen in winter, and even 50% vaccination rate had a limited impact. Looks like you will need more than 70% vaccination rate to stop a wave by itself. So many countries want to throw away all the restrictions just because levels are now falling - result will probably be another 'Covid winter' while you still have unvaccinated people around.

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Post by Khun Paul » June 5, 2021, 7:19 am

From the very beginning transmission rates were dissected and discussed and the one report I remember clearly as if it was yesterday was that of a Doctor ( Chinese ) working in Wuhan .
Who stated quite clearly that as this Virus has the ability to stick to surfaces we assume that it only means staionary surfaces, but we forget that all out clothes are also surfaces, even more so if they are damp or wet.
So therefore after going put, upon arrival back home the outer clothing at least should be discarded and hung up OUTSIDE the home and after entering you should shower, removing all traces from your hair etc.
Hanging clothes out in the sun also helps to dry out the moisture and kill off traces of this virus.

Now people advocate the Vaccine which to all intents and purposes only does one thing stops you going to a Hospital ICU for weeks and allows you to continue almost as normal with mild symptoms, but it DOES NOT stop you catching it.

So the operative word is to be CAREFUL, never let your guard down as many do , assuming that especially in Udon where the Virus is seemingly dormant generally that they are safe.

Mask wearing is a pain in the arse, complying with what seems to be stupid restrictions on restaurants and drinking etc are also an annoyance especially for those that EXPECT a restaurant to continue to supply alcohol in oversize beakers to hide the contents otherwise they will not go there ( Selfish actions by a few ) ,including the seemingly idiotic signing in to an establishment because they can, putting the Owners at risk of fines and even closure , amazes me and yet shout out to those they think abuse the locals but at the same time snub their noses at the THAI law, currently in existence.

We ALL need to work hard to follow the guidelines / laws ( stupid though many think they are ) we are BUT GUESTS here, to ensure a swift end to the restrictions and to return to as near normal as we will ever get again.

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Post by sometimewoodworker » June 5, 2021, 8:42 am

Khun Paul wrote:
June 5, 2021, 7:19 am

Now people advocate the Vaccine which to all intents and purposes only does one thing stops you going to a Hospital ICU for weeks and allows you to continue almost as normal with mild symptoms, but it DOES NOT stop you catching it.
Correctly said the vaccines do not guarantee that you will not catch COVID 19 however your immune system will be strong enough that the majority of vaccinated people will have no symptoms if infected at all.

Of those who have a sufficient infection to be recognised nobody will need hospitalisation at all far less an ICU visit or trip to the morgue.

To be clear virtually everyone has some number of cold viruses (and many others) quite often, however the immune system kills them off or stops replication so you don’t catch a cold. COVID 19 is no different in that way, so many vaccinated people do not catch it.

One difference is that you can have measurable levels of infection but no symptoms, vaccination will reduce the levels of virus present.

An unknown is the level of protection vaccination gives against long COVID-19.

long COVID-19 can be extremely serious having potentially lifelong effects and even asymptomatic infections can lead to long Covid, so if vaccination protection also stops or drastically reduces this it’s very welcome.
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Post by Barney » June 5, 2021, 10:25 am

STWW

What the heck is LONG Covid?


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Post by tamada » June 5, 2021, 10:43 am

tamada wrote:
June 4, 2021, 10:31 pm
Here's a long-ish read for tomorrow's coffee. Some are questioning why Biden recently declared a need to find out where the virus came from. After the Democrats, liberals and main stream media took a lot of time to debunk what they called conspiracy theories, why are they suddenly trying to put out the fire with gasoline?

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-ori ... -at-wuhan/

Spoiler alert for Alex. This analysis/opinion piece was cited in an opinion piece in the Grauniad.

If the Wuhan lab-leak hypothesis is true, expect a political earthquake

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... gins-china

Now go get that eye wash out.
An opinion piece from the right-wing Telegraph echoing much of the above.

The West’s Wuhan cover-up will not be forgotten easily

Elites will rue their efforts to trash the lab leak theory if, as seems increasingly likely, it proves to be right

"Papers and media companies that previously dismissed the lab-leak theory have spent recent days quietly editing some of their own past content. But they are fooling no one but themselves if they think that they can get away with rewriting the past. The CCP might have the power and malevolence to play the cover-up game. But the companies and institutions in the West who ordered the public to believe one thing and are now accepting another will have a much harder time of it."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... en-easily/

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Post by Khun Paul » June 5, 2021, 11:06 am

Although historically the actual events of how this virus started is probably important, it pales into insignificance as to the impact it has had on the World generally .

There is no doubt that it was a mistake, a screw-up, or maybe even a deliberate attempt to subvert the West , the fact that is has ramifications far beyond what was possibly thought about is scary.

Due to the enormous censoring of Chinese News Outlets, the impact it has had inside China is not clear , what is clear is that this has moved the World press attention away from the Ethnic cleansing going on elsewhere inside China . Nolw some may call that fortuitous others will say deliberate.

But in truth the World really needs to concentrate on dealing with it everywhere to limit its ability to mutate and cause even more harm than it has already done .

While the endeavours to find the source are to be commended , what once it had been located with 80 + % CERTAINTY , would you expect the perpetrator to do, repay costs to the Rest of the World, we all know that will never happen`. Possibly open up their labs to greater scrutiny , again that will never happen. So apart from making people/voters feel better, it is a costly pointless exercise in my book . iT WILL ONLY GIVE THE REST OF THE WORLD THE ABILITY TO POINT FINGERS . Which if as many think will be China, with a population of over 1.5 billion nearly ONE FIFTH of the total worlds Population, they really do not care and have the numbers to ignore the rest of us .

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Post by Giggle » June 5, 2021, 11:35 am

rick wrote:
June 5, 2021, 12:48 am
The lesson to be learned is that most waves of infection happen in winter,
No can do, amigo. Trump said that in early 2020 and the leftist idiots turned themselves inside out claiming it was unproven poppycock and cockamamie Trumpian psuedo science.

Gunna have to find something different. The TDS-infected halfwits have already smeared their poo all over that idea.
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Post by mak » June 5, 2021, 11:57 am

Per Richard Barrow's meeting with TAT:
Q. Will tourists still be scammed by the local taxi mafia and others?
A. The TAT governor told me they are using this opportunity to address problems like these from the past. Phuket will be safer and more tourist friendly in the future.
Q. Will the two-tier pricing remain?
A. The TAT Governor made it clear to me he doesn’t approve of the two-tier pricing policy and whenever he can, he has asked decision makers not to charge foreigners more. He did exactly this to the mayor of one seaside resort in Phuket during his visit this week.
I get the impression that TAT acknowledges scamming, the Mafia and double pricing. So why would any tourist come if the head of tourism acknowledges these facts.

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Post by sometimewoodworker » June 5, 2021, 12:52 pm

Barney wrote:
June 5, 2021, 10:25 am
STWW

What the heck is LONG Covid?


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The seriousness can vary. There is at least one Olympic runner who now gets way out of breath just climbing a set of stairs. If they will ever completely recover is not clear but probably not.
Long-term effects of coronavirus (long COVID)

For some people, coronavirus (COVID-19) can cause symptoms that last weeks or months after the infection has gone. This is sometimes called post-COVID-19 syndrome or "long COVID".

About long COVID

How long it takes to recover from COVID-19 is different for everybody.

Many people feel better in a few days or weeks and most will make a full recovery within 12 weeks. But for some people, symptoms can last longer.

The chances of having long-term symptoms does not seem to be linked to how ill you are when you first get COVID-19.

People who had mild symptoms at first can still have long-term problems.
Symptoms of long COVID

There are lots of symptoms you can have after a COVID-19 infection.

Common long COVID symptoms include:

extreme tiredness (fatigue)
shortness of breath
chest pain or tightness
problems with memory and concentration ("brain fog")
difficulty sleeping (insomnia)
heart palpitations
dizziness
pins and needles
joint pain
depression and anxiety
tinnitus, earaches
feeling sick, diarrhoea, stomach aches, loss of appetite
a high temperature, cough, headaches, sore throat, changes to sense of smell or taste
rashes
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Post by sometimewoodworker » June 5, 2021, 1:02 pm

Khun Paul wrote:
June 5, 2021, 11:06 am
There is no doubt that it was a mistake, a screw-up, or maybe even a deliberate attempt to subvert the West , the fact that is has ramifications far beyond what was possibly thought about is scary.
That is opinion

At this point there is no proof of this idea.

It is possible that it is true. It is possible that the origin will never be publicly available.
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Post by Drunk Monkey » June 5, 2021, 1:04 pm

STWW

OMG

Looking at all those symptoms there isnt a day goes by i dont have at least one two or three of them .. a lot of general everyday symptoms there that could be due to a plethora of other issues as well as covid.

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Post by noosard » June 5, 2021, 1:43 pm

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Post by dunroaming » June 5, 2021, 3:57 pm

I get most of these just taking out my wallet

Common long COVID symptoms include:

extreme tiredness (fatigue)
shortness of breath
chest pain or tightness
problems with memory and concentration ("brain fog")
difficulty sleeping (insomnia)
heart palpitations
dizziness
pins and needles
joint pain
depression and anxiety
tinnitus, earaches
feeling sick, diarrhoea, stomach aches, loss of appetite
a high temperature, cough, headaches, sore throat, changes to sense of smell or taste
rashes[/quote]
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Post by mak » June 5, 2021, 4:23 pm

A 69-year-old Thai woman and a representative of World Health Organization (WHO) regional office in Thailand became the first two individuals to receive the doses of the locally-produced AstraZeneca vaccine today, at the vaccination service centre at the Ministry of Public Health.

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Post by Drunk Monkey » June 6, 2021, 8:38 am

dunroaming wrote:
June 5, 2021, 3:57 pm
I get most of these just taking out my wallet

Common long COVID symptoms include:

extreme tiredness (fatigue) (to much golf)
shortness of breath (500 bt spend)
chest pain or tightness (lifting wallet)
problems with memory and concentration ("brain fog") (check bin lost wallet)
difficulty sleeping (insomnia) ( not true)
heart palpitations (1000 bt spend )
dizziness (drunk)
pins and needles (keen embroiderer)
joint pain (not enuff golf)
depression and anxiety (opening the door at a bank)
tinnitus, earaches (not doing what wifey says)
feeling sick, diarrhoea, stomach aches, loss of appetite (eating haggis)
a high temperature, cough, headaches, sore throat, changes to sense of smell or taste (out of date Rowies)
rashes (easy one ...an STD)


Thanks for your honesty DR ..it should be commended ... as a retired doctor i have highlighted the possible causes in red ..hope that helps your aversion to WRS..Wallet Removal Syndrome

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Post by dunroaming » June 6, 2021, 10:02 am

Drunk Monkey wrote:
June 6, 2021, 8:38 am
dunroaming wrote:
June 5, 2021, 3:57 pm
I get most of these just taking out my wallet

Common long COVID symptoms include:

extreme tiredness (fatigue) (to much golf)
shortness of breath (500 bt spend)
chest pain or tightness (lifting wallet)
problems with memory and concentration ("brain fog") (check bin lost wallet)
difficulty sleeping (insomnia) ( not true)
heart palpitations (1000 bt spend )
dizziness (drunk)
pins and needles (keen embroiderer)
joint pain (not enuff golf)
depression and anxiety (opening the door at a bank)
tinnitus, earaches (not doing what wifey says)
feeling sick, diarrhoea, stomach aches, loss of appetite (eating haggis)
a high temperature, cough, headaches, sore throat, changes to sense of smell or taste (out of date Rowies)
rashes (easy one ...an STD)


Thanks for your honesty DR ..it should be commended ... as a retired doctor i have highlighted the possible causes in red ..hope that helps your aversion to WRS..Wallet Removal Syndrome

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Post by Drunk Monkey » June 7, 2021, 8:00 am

Its pretty obvious that Isan provinces were never gonna receive vaccines in any large numbers as the government are hell bent on sending /using most firstly in Phuket so it can reach the 70% target and open up for tourism July 1st .. thereafter in Bangkok with all its clusters is deemed more in need so it can get open with regard to commerce and tourism.. by the time health workers , those in the tourism sector , over 60s and/or with health issues , hisos , government officials and diplomats get the jab in these two locations one can see why provinces throughout the rest of the country are only receiving circa 3 to 4000 doses.

Its awaiting game with rural isan at the back of the Q for sure as after Phuket n Bkk pretty sure Pattaya n Chang Mai will receive the lions share for the same reasons ... by the end of the year 70% of the population may be vaccinated ..quite where they will be is open to debate.

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Post by BKK-Udon » June 7, 2021, 9:16 am

I was pleasantly surprised to hear that the AZ vaccine was actually produced and deliveries started according to plan. Hurried off on Friday to get on the list at my nearest hospital, Prajak...https://www.udonmap.com/en/component/mt ... visit.html

They had a separate desk and waiting area set up for registrations, and a nurse took my phone and registered me through Line. Asking if a date was available as I’m in the ‘elderly’ catagory, was informed August or after. They will call.

Curious as to why my priority group would not be sooner, was informed that the priority group is those who are elderly (over 60) AND with one of seven diseases, which she proceded to rattle off. :-k

It is my understanding that the AND is actually meant to be OR, as is often published in English media, including today’s BP. TIT :?

DM, you have nailed it.

Here is a link to register at the Army hospital using Line.
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Post by tamada » June 7, 2021, 10:10 am

Oh my. This is going to seriously piss off our American exceptionalist cousins who want the Navy SEALS to drop in and save their self-righteous butts. I guess that's what generations of Hollywood and made-for-TV brain deadening does for you.

There's nothing disingenuous about the Thai Health Ministry's age-banding and their plan for high-risk coffin dodgers OF ALL NATIONALITIES to get their jabs first. The UK kicked off their world-leading vaccination program last December with +80's and at-risk being the first to be vaccinated.

Thanks for the QR code from Fort Prachaksilapakhom Hospital. I know several forum members including myself have received excellent treatment and care there.

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