Miscellaneous COVID-19/Corona Virus Discussion, Questions, etc.

[vincemunday]

Official #COVID19 update in #Thailand on Wednesday:
From 15 December
8,416 people infected (+8 imported cases & +51 local cases)
5,681 discharged from hospital (+265)
2,961 people in care (2,724 since 15 December)
11 dead (+1)

TOTAL: 12,653 cases and 71 deaths

More updates soon.

Many thanks to Richard Barrow in Thailand

[vincemunday]

Official #COVID19 update in #Thailand on Thursday:
From 15 December 2020 onwards
8,558 people infected (+17 imported cases & +125 local cases)
5,902 discharged from hospital (+221)
2,882 people in care (one year)
11 dead (+0)
TOTAL: 12,795 cases and 71 deaths to date

125 people infected with COVID19 within Thailand. 37 cases were from proactive finding. Here are the rest:

- Samut Sakhon 63 (total 92)
- Bangkok: 14 (total 16)
- Chiang Rai 1
- Ang Thong 4
- Nonthaburi 2
- Pathum Thani 1
- Rayong 1
- Chonburi 1
- Chanthaburi 1

Many thanks to Richard Barrow in Thailand

[vincemunday]

Official #COVID19 update in #Thailand on Friday:
From 15 December 2020 onwards
8,867 people infected (+12 imported cases & +297 local cases)
6,284 discharged from hospital (+382)
2,809 people in care (2,572 since 15 Dec)
11 dead (+0)

TOTAL: 13,104 cases and 71 deaths to date

Many thanks to Richard Barrow in Thailand

[noosard]

The new mutant strain of coronavirus is between 30 and 90 per cent more deadly than the old one but vaccines will still work, UK scientists say.

Just so much accuracy in statement like that from a boffin
I suppose he left room for error

[tamada]

Boffinspeak is anathema to the spurious tales of shallow feel-good and thin hope that politicians now depend on to stay popular. The latter sounds much better than publicly saying that eventually there will be a mutation that may render the current vaccines ineffective.

[papafarang]

Their already saying the African and south american version are showing signs of resistance to the vaccines. If that is the case the we're fighting multiple versions all needing different vaccines. Oh my Buddha.

[tamada]

^ I was reading that the SA and UK variants appear to lead the growing pack with superspreading capability. The boffins cite any one of four reasons, or a combination of some of these... or for as yet unknown reasons.

Take your pick.

[Khun Paul]

At the end of the day, Virus mutate ( aka FLU ), hoepfully we will slowly build an inbuilt immunity of this virus, by that I mean we may still catch it but not to kill us just to make life unco0mfortable for a few days.,
The actions of us all will determine the outcome, distance, personal hygiene, mask wearing etc. It is sad that the possibility of crowds packing stadiums and huge concerts may be a thing of the past . But we ALL have the ability to use our heads and stay reasonably safe and hope that we will come through this with our lives.
Anyone who tells me no need to take care are really not on the same planet any more and they are living a delusion . All 7.3 billion of us need to take responsibility for our collective future .

[papafarang]

^ I was reading that the SA and UK variants appear to lead the growing pack with superspreading capability. The boffins cite any one of four reasons, or a combination of some of these... or for as yet unknown reasons.

Take your pick.

As usual the boffins don't know ,we're doomed .

[pipoz4444]

This might put a little perspective on it

Extract from First Link: "Information about the characteristics of these variants is rapidly emerging. Scientists are working to learn more about how easily they might spread, whether they could cause more severe illness, and whether currently authorized vaccines will protect people against them. At this time, there is no evidence that these variants cause more severe illness or increased risk of death.

These variants seem to spread more easily and quickly than other variants, which may lead to more cases of COVID-19. Currently, there is no evidence that these variants cause more severe illness or increased risk of death. However, an increase in the number of cases will put more strain on health care resources, lead to more hospitalizations, and potentially more deaths. Rigorous and increased compliance with public health mitigation strategies, such as vaccination, physical distancing, use of masks, hand hygiene, and isolation and quarantine, will be essential to limiting the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and protecting public health"

UK B.1.1.7
SA 1.351
Brazil P.1

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... riant.html

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... the-future

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55404988

pipoz4444

[tamada]

The convenient but senseless labeling of these mutations after the country where they were first detected is still causing equally convenient and senseless knee jerks. I just read that the Dutch airline KLM have suspended all their UK flight routes (again) due to Boris and Priti's "Kent Covid" strain. They were the first to label it the "UK variant" although it had been detected in Holland maybe 6 weeks before British virologists identified it.

Bloody cloggies!

[pipoz4444]

This is a John Hopkin’s analysis of Worldwide Mortality Rate

As far as the Case Fatality Rate is concerned, the USA is not the worst at 1.7% vs 2.7% in UK, 3.0% in Belgium and 3.5% in Italy

As far as the Deaths per 100k population, the the USA is not the worst at 125.35 vs 139.34 in Italy and 142.53 in the UK and 180.53 in Belgium

JOHN HOPKINS: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

For the twenty countries currently most affected by COVID-19 worldwide, the bars in the chart below show the number of deaths either per 100 confirmed cases (observed case-fatality ratio) or per 100,000 population (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people). Countries at the top of this figure have the most deaths proportionally to their COVID-19 cases or population, not necessarily the most deaths overall.

Worldwide Mortality

The diagonal lines on the chart below correspond to different case fatality ratios (the number of deaths divided by the number of confirmed cases). Countries falling on the uppermost lines have the highest observed case fatality ratios. Points with a black border correspond to the 20 most affected countries by COVID-19 worldwide, based on the number of deaths. Hover over the circles to see the country name and a ratio value. Use the boxes on the top to toggle between: 1) mortality per absolute number of cases (total confirmed cases within a country); and mortality per 100,000 people (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people).

pipoz4444

[vincemunday]

Official #COVID19 update in #Thailand on Saturday:
From 15 December 2020 onwards
9,065 people infected (+18 imported cases & +180 local cases)
6,508 discharged from care (+224)
2,782 people in care (2,545 since December)
12 dead (+1)
TOTAL: 13,302 cases & 72 deaths

The person who died today was an 81 year old Thai man from Phichit Province who had underlying health problems including diabetes. #RIP

180 local cases. Out of these, 111 were proactive case findings: 107 in Samut Sakhon and 4 in Bangkok.
69 other cases:
Samut Sakhon 56
Bangkok 5
Ang Thong 1
Samut Songkhram 5
Samut Prakan 1
Rayong 1

[vincemunday]

Some great news coming out of the UK.

[tamada]

Over 5 million people have received their first shot. I would consider them vaccinated after they get the second one.

But that's not to detract that after a series of toe-stubs, missed targets and own goals, the Brit authorities tasked with this juggling act and the NHS have finally gotten into their stride.

Despite the revised timetable of waiting up to 12 weeks for the second shot, I am sure they are aware of demand outstripping supply unless they have a very, VERY good grip on the supply chain logistics.

Now it's up to the public to behave themselves. Listening to overnight UK chat radio, people are still piling into their cars and heading 20, 30, 40 miles and more for a weekend seaside break. Yes, there's no legislation that the police can enforce beyond the laughable FPN's, but it seems that lacking any letter of the law, the average punter appears quite happy to ignore the spirit of these rules.

[noosard]

Aussie amd Kiwi police enforced the lockdowns
Maybe the brits police need a backbone

[tamada]

^ It's all these politically appointed regional police chiefs that's queered the U.K.'s law enforcement pitch. Kow-towing to whatever whim of political correctness is flavor of the day. As much use as chocolate fireguards IMHO.

Classic example is Dame Cressida Dick, Commissioner of the London Met Police. Got the gong before she even got the top job and is largely disconnected from the force she commands. In 2021, Dick gave an interview in which she called it "preposterous" that British people were not aware of lockdown regulations surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic.

A Tory appointee, say no more.

[sometimewoodworker]

Over 5 million people have received their first shot. I would consider them vaccinated after they get the second one.

But that's not to detract that after a series of toe-stubs, missed targets and own goals, the Brit authorities tasked with this juggling act and the NHS have finally gotten into their stride.

Despite the revised timetable of waiting up to 12 weeks for the second shot, I am sure they are aware of demand outstripping supply unless they have a very, VERY good grip on the supply chain logistics.

Now it's up to the public to behave themselves. Listening to overnight UK chat radio, people are still piling into their cars and heading 20, 30, 40 miles and more for a weekend seaside break. Yes, there's no legislation that the police can enforce beyond the laughable FPN's, but it seems that lacking any letter of the law, the average punter appears quite happy to ignore the spirit of these rules.

Dr Campbell disagrees with some of those statements.
The vaccinations are not going nearly as fast as they should.
The first vaccination shot, after 7 days, will keep everyone who gets it out of the hospitals. That is why the second dose has been postponed. Also It’s not so much demand exceeding supply as it’s not enough people available to run the vaccination centres

Is it good? No but it’s needed to reduce the increasing strain on NHS staff. It should be 1 nurse to 1 patient in the ICU it is now running at 1 nurse to 4 patients in some which is incredibly dangerous

The FPNs start at £200 but double for each subsequent offence up to a maximum of £6,400, I’m not sure how laughable they are if you’re a repeat offender.

[tamada]

^ I have no clue who Dr Campbell is but I do recall hearing and reading within the past few days that the first shot's efficacy isn't "guaranteed" until at least 10 days post shot.

The notion, "The first vaccination shot, after 7 days, will keep everyone who gets it out of the hospitals" has already been shot to buggery with reports of people catching Covid and a few dying some time AFTER getting their first shot.

I have also heard and read that some vaccine manufacturers can't keep up with demand now that the U.K. has all these newly-hatched vaccination centers. That was the PRIMARY reason for delaying the second shot, ie. so more people could get at least their first shot as manufacturing ramped up. This decision was greatly enabled by vaccine makers suddenly quoting 50% to 90% efficacy after the first shot.

The U.K.'s fixed penalty notice is not by any stretch of the imagination a deterrent to those who would easily drop 200 quid at the pub or bookies. Since both are closed, it's like Monopoly money to them now... that's if they're ever ticketed.

Now, lets play spot the difference, ok?

United Kingdom:
"A Fixed Penalty Notice, or a conditional offer of fixed penalty is an administrative alternative to prosecution before the magistrates' court which includes a fine and in most cases penalty points too. ... Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) were introduced during the 1950s and were designed to deal with minor parking offences."

Victoria:
"Victoria Police can issue on-the-spot fines of up to $1,652 for individuals and up to $9,913 for businesses for:
refusing or failing to comply with the emergency directions.
refusing or failing to comply with a public health risk power direction."

[sometimewoodworker]

^ I have no clue who Dr Campbell is but I do recall hearing and reading within the past few days that the first shot's efficacy isn't "guaranteed" until at least 10 days post shot.

Dr. John Campbell is a Senior Lecturer in Nursing studies at the University of Cumbria. He has been a clinical nurse and a nurse tutor for over 30 years.

He has a about a daily YouTube video where he collates information from medical professionals and official government sources, he gives all the original links so that you can double check the information. So rather than “I heard...” you can look at the papers to decide if his report is accurate.

The notion, "The first vaccination shot, after 7 days, will keep everyone who gets it out of the hospitals" has already been shot to buggery with reports of people catching Covid and a few dying some time AFTER getting their first shot.

Please give a medical paper or government source to support that. Without that it’s as true as any of trumps claims that he won the election.

There is a double blind study of the Oxford vaccine (zero hospitalisation after 1 dose) that supports the statement I made