US declares 30-day European travel ban.

[pal52]

Just received this from Hotels.com. it is clarifying the Travel ban.

Dear valued customer,

As you may have seen in the news, the United States government has prohibited non-US citizens who are from the 26 countries that make up the European Union’s Schengen Area or who have visited the Schengen Area in the previous two weeks from entering the United States. These countries include Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

The United States government’s policy goes into effect at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on March 13, 2020 but does not apply to persons aboard a flight scheduled to arrive in the United States that departed prior to 11:59 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on March 13, 2020. The United States government has stated that they intend for this policy to be in place for the next 30 days.

This policy does not include or impact

American citizens, permanent legal residents and their immediate families
Any child, foster child or ward of a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident, or who is a prospective adoptee pursuant to the IR-4 or IH-4 visa classifications
Members of the U.S. Armed Forces and spouses and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces
Anyone traveling at the invitation of the United States Government for virus-related work, certain travelers related to NATO or United Nations work, and certain travelers doing work related to the CDC, Department of Homeland Security, State Department and other law enforcement issues
Certain classes of air or sea crewmembers
Anyone traveling from the United Kingdom who has not been to the Schengen Area in the last 14 days
While not prohibited from entering the United States, these travelers who have been to the Schengen Area may be required to return to the US through select airports where enhanced screening procedures have been established.

What will happen next

If you are impacted by these new rules and cannot travel to the United States during this 30-day period, please know that we are working quickly with our travel partners to address this unprecedented situation and to take care of you.

If you have only booked lodging via Hotels.com we will ensure you will have the option to cancel and be refunded. If you have booked air travel or a travel package, we are working with our airline partners to understand how their cancellation policies will work.

We will contact you shortly with more details and next steps including how to confirm any changes to your travel plans and how the cancellation process will work.

While the Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak is a rapidly changing and fluid situation from a public health perspective, we are committed to keeping you informed and to taking care of you as a valued Hotels.com customer.

Sincerely,

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[sometimewoodworker]

The U.K. and Ireland will be included in the ban from Monday, so 4,000 flights will be cut.

Spain has gone into quarantine for 15 days from 8am Monday in the same way as Italy. The prime minister having declared a lockdown. Some Planes were turned round in mid flight.

So it’s not a case of will some airlines die, but which ones, how soon and how many are going to follow Flybe. Norwegian Air has laid of 50% of its staff.

[sometimewoodworker]

The wisdom of the blanket ban, specially on countries with no or very few cases, is debatable as are it’s health benefits as a real control on the spread or even slowing it down.

The effects are becoming clear that it will be a major contribution in what is developing and could become a recession in many countries.

[tamada]

I think the wisdom of migration control as part of the counter measures is apparent in this graph. In China and Italy, there were no early counter measures, maybe Spain as well. Is the UK and US too late?

In simpler terms, when you have a common cold and you have family, you 'self isolate' as much as you can to stop the rest of the clan catching it. Tissues, hankies, hand washing... sounds familiar, no?

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

[sometimewoodworker]

I think the wisdom of migration control as part of the counter measures is apparent in this graph. In China and Italy, there were no early counter measures, maybe Spain as well. Is the UK and US too late?

In simpler terms, when you have a common cold and you have family, you 'self isolate' as much as you can to stop the rest of the clan catching it. Tissues, hankies, hand washing... sounds familiar, no?

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https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

China did have early, not early enough maybe, countermeasures. This is why They are on a downward trend now.

Initially 80% of transmissions were family based so they instituted a system where suspect individuals went to a special reception area where they were first checked for other infections & if positively identified as having flue etc allowed out, then one of the checks is a mobile CT scan of part of the lungs and if positivity a identification of characteristics of the infection was detected then they are tested for COVID 19 with the results coming back in 4 hours & if positive they go into an isolation ward hospital & are triaged for severity.

Not so severe cases


Yes it’s a Chinese government video but that doesn’t make it fake.
Note the protected staff and infected patients and the difference in protection needed.

So you can self isolate at home and if infected probably pass it on to your family, as happened in the start in China

The difficulty in China will come as they start relaxing the lockdown and opening up business as you may get more transmission again.

[noosard]

Yes it’s a Chinese government video but that doesn’t make it fake.
Note the protected staff and infected patients and the difference in protection needed.

So you can self isolate at home and if infected probably pass it on to your family, as happened in the start in China

The difficulty in China will come as they start relaxing the lockdown and opening up business as you may get more transmission again.
[/quote]

This is true which will occur again and again till either a vaccine is made or everyone becomes ill and has their own antibodies for this virus

[noosard]

Yes it’s a Chinese government video but that doesn’t make it fake.
Note the protected staff and infected patients and the difference in protection needed.

So you can self isolate at home and if infected probably pass it on to your family, as happened in the start in China

The difficulty in China will come as they start relaxing the lockdown and opening up business as you may get more transmission again.
[/quote]

This is true which will occur again and again till either a vaccine is made or everyone becomes ill and has their own antibodies for this virus

[Giggle]

Good to see other countries following Trump's lead and establishing travel bans.
Knew it was the right decision all along.

[jackspratt]

Good to see other countries following Trump's lead and establishing travel bans.
Knew it was the right decision all along.

Thanks giggly.

I read somewhere that this is the first major fuuckup of the Trump administration that the Bloated Orange Bullshiiter didn't cause himself.

Can you confirm?

[sometimewoodworker]

I read somewhere that this is the first major fuuckup of the Trump administration that the Bloated Orange Bullshiiter didn't cause himself.

That he didn’t cause the start yes, not his fault, but he seems to single handedly made it worse. First by disbanding the teams or organisation dedicated to preparing for a serious pandemic in 2018. Then by his ineptitude and counterproductive actions that have made the economic effects worse and lying about the availability of test for anyone who wants one, among other BS.

Is he capable of actually doing anything right? Is he going to hold big campaign rallies so the virus has a better chance of spreading? Or can he follow the lead of Biden and Saunders and hold events without an audience?

[pipoz4444]

We get tested every day here, although the test at present is just the temperature test.

If your temperature is in the range of 36.0 to 37.4 C and you have no other symptoms such as increased coughing, Nausea, Headaches and or Sore Throat, they assume you are Ok for the day.

If your temperature approaches 37.5C and you start to develop a dry cough at the same time, they take you for a blood test at the Hospital.

The person in charge of this Country, has decreed as interim precautionary measures, that all Medical Testing is Free, along with implementing other measures such as
1. The Public Metro and Bus transportation is closed.
2. Those over 55 years of age, those who are pregnant and or those have diabetes, heart or kidney aliments are now permitted to work from home and all Companies are to pay their salaries, as normal.
3. Schools are to introduce distant learning programmes, effective from 22 March on wards, for certain Grades, for remote learning
4. Central Banks is to put in place measures with other banks to suspended/defer all loan installments /payment obligations, from individuals to banks and or from the Private sector to banks, for a period of 6 months, without penalty.
5. Financial support and economic incentives will be provided to the Private sector. XX Billion USD
6. Central Bank will provide additional liquidity to All Banks in the Country, regardless
7. Electricity and water fees will be exempt (no need to be paid), for the next six months, for certain industry sectors, particularly the Hospitality & Tourism businesses and also for small and medium size industries.
8. Rents for small and medium size industries/businesses are exempt /no need to be paid for the next six months
9. Continuation of an existing travel ban/restriction on who is permitted to disembark and enter the Country, which will shortly change into the "Stopping of all Incoming Flights for those Travelers who are not Nationals of the Country" for the next 14 day period, to be reassessed thereafter, but exempting incoming Cargo and Transit flights.

It is great to be in a country at this time, where decisive measures can be taken and implemented with almost immediate effect, for the benefit of all who are here, without the need to have to run back to bureaucratic institution for a decision (i.e. the Government of the day), which is typically an institution run on Old Farts full of their Political Self Importance, with disregard for other people.

In the current circumstance, I would rather a Decision be made, than no Decision at all To those who want the World to continue as normal and ignore the reality of what is happening, and so continue with free air travel/entry for anyone/open borders, good luck to you, as you watch your Countries implode. .

pipoz444

[jackspratt]

We get tested every day here, although the test at present is just the temperature test.

pipoz444

To make sense of your post, it would be helpful to know where "here" is.

[sometimewoodworker]

We get tested every day here, although the test at present is just the temperature test.

pipoz444

To make sense of your post, it would be helpful to know where "here" is.

It is likely to be Qatar, as Qatar Airways is one airline (maybe the only airline) with that policy now

LOT, the Polish airline, and Air Baltic are soon going to stop all flights for at least 14 days. SAS is cutting 90% of its schedule, the staff will be paid for up-to 3 months by the Danish government on the condition that they keep their jobs with SAS

[sometimewoodworker]

This is from https://www.emirates.com/th/english/he ... ates/#3515 and could be an accurate indication of entry bans for the country’s (apart from USA) listed, though I don’t think that China has a blanket ban.

Flights have been suspended to the following destinations

Amman:From 17 March to 31 March
Baghdad: From 17 March to 31 March
Bangkok- Hong Kong: From 9 March – 31 March
Basra: From 17 March to 31 March
Beirut:From 17 March to 31 March
Bologna: From 13 March – 03 April
Casablanca:From 16 March - 31 March
Dammam: From 09 March until further notice
Fort Lauderdale:13 to 31 March
Guangzhou: From 05 February until further notice
Istanbul (IST): From 17 March - 31 March
Istanbul (SAW): From 17 March - 31 March
Jeddah: From 09 March until further notice
Kuwait City:From 14 March to 31 March
Larnaca: From 17 March- 31 March
Malta (via Larnaca): From 17 March- 31 March
Medina: From 09 March until further notice
Milan: From 13 March – 03 April
New York JFK – Milan: 11 March to 12 April
New York EWR – Athens: 13 March to 12 April
Peshawar: From 15 March to 31 March, flights to/from Peshawar will be rerouted through Islamabad. Affected customers will need to make their own way to rerouted airports and will receive an email with their rebooking details.
Porto: From 17 March- 31 March
Riyadh: From 09 March until 31 March
Rome: From 14 March – 03 April
Shanghai: From 05 February until further notice
Sialkot: From 15 March to 31 March, flights to/from Sialkot will be re-routed through Lahore. Affected customers will need to make their own way to rerouted airports and will receive an email with their rebooking details.
Taipei: From 16 March until further notice
Tehran: From 26 February until further notice
Venice:From 12 March - 03 April
Warsaw: From 15 March - 28 March

[tamada]

We get tested every day here, although the test at present is just the temperature test.

pipoz444

To make sense of your post, it would be helpful to know where "here" is.

Can't you read? His title says:

pipoz4444
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[jackspratt]

woody seems to have come to the rescue, confirmed by a PM I have just sighted.

Actually, PM has come twice - perhaps further confirmation of a major glitch with the forum software.

[pipoz4444]

China cannot be reporting its true number of Cases. There is no way a population of what 1.4 Billion, could have Peaked with only 80,880 Cases and be recording on 36 new cases a day. It defies logic.

The way Italy is going, it will pass China's 80,880, with its number of cases in two weeks.

Italy's case number graph, has gone "Exponential"

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[noosard]

I see Canada has closed its borders to all but the USA
Dont they know that Washington state has 2/3s of known USA virus cases

[pipoz4444]

It would appear that the world in not listening to the Scientist and or Others who were adamant that a Travel Ban was of no benefit to containing the Covid 19. Opp's they were proven woefully wrong, just look at Europe now.

The Australian Government has just confirmed that some 80% of their Covid 19 cases, have come from people who have either recently (in the past month) returned Australia or traveled to Australia or from people who have had contact with people who have returned/traveled to Australia. I bet they (the Australian Government) wished they had implemented their Travel Ban much earlier.

In addition, I cannot count the number of Countries who have since implemented their own Travel Bans (Full & Partial) over the past 2 weeks, since a certain american President implemented his travel ban again Europe. Plus these other countries have banned the same European traveler as well. Judging by how quickly the Covid 19 case numbers have risen throughout these European countries, over the past 2 weeks, it appears that a few select Countries and this certain american President, had much better vision of what was to come than many other political leaders and a number of other people reading this Post.

I can't believe that some countries are still procrastination over implementing travel bans and or lock downs of certain areas within their own countries. They must be blind to what is happening in Europe and other places, with the case numbers.

I just finished watching the ABC News (in Australian) where the Wally's (Australian Politician's) cannot decided on reducing the size of public gatherings from 500 down 100, because they are afraid it will have to big a social impact. Personally, I think dying from Covid 19 is a greater social impact (particularly on the poor C...nt who dies) than not being able to goes out to the pub or a restaurant? They must be Brain dead

Then I watched UK Sky News and a certain UK Government person speaking, appeared to be worried that too heavy a restriction going out, would mean that people couldn't travel to see their mother on Mothers Day next week. Yes, he discussed mother days and people wanting to go see mum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF -" I will just go see my mum who is 80, next week and take her a present for mother day, a dose of "Covid 19".

The mind simply boggles at the lack of intelligent thought of some of these Baboons, who want to cling onto their precious way of life, at this particular time, mainly because of their own selfish interests, without any comprehension of the potential consequences to Others.

pipoz4444

[Giggle]

Suck it Trump haters! Travel bans were and are the right decision. He was right. You were wrong. If Trump says white, they say black. Their hatred of him will end up killing tens of thousands.

I have to laugh.