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Post by tamada » March 7, 2020, 12:09 pm

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March 7, 2020, 8:28 am
..."I have to say I am flabbergasted that a doctor that has flu-like symptoms has presented to work," Ms Mikakos said...
Hold on Minister... you have just said yourself that he had "flu-like symptoms" and not "he definitely had the flu". Who is best to judge if he had the flu? The doctor himself who only had a runny nose? Maybe he, like me, frequently gets a runny nose on airplanes. We have all been told to be wary of a fever or a cough or breathing difficulties, not a runny nose. This from the CDC.

Watch for symptoms

Reported illnesses have ranged from mild symptoms to severe illness and death for confirmed coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases.

The following symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure.*

Fever
Cough
Shortness of breath


Note for Minister: no runny nose.

Anyway, spoken like a true, sloping-shouldered, government-appointed "Health Minister" who is blissfully unaware that the concept of an island nation being a bastion against this infection was already redundant back in January. That's when they added Covid-19 to the list of human diseases that are actionable under their own 2015 Biosecurity Act.



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Post by tamada » March 7, 2020, 12:36 pm

Point of note, over the past week in the UK and listening to the UK government's Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty, he's been quietly assertive of the inevitability of Covid-19 contagion in the UK.

Coronavirus action plan: Army on the streets and police to ignore low-level crime

"Everyone is susceptible to catching the disease and thus it is ‘more likely than not that the UK will be significantly affected."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/coronavi ... -12338281/

That was then (the 3rd), this is now (the 7th).

VIRUS ESCALATES Top Government health adviser confirms coronavirus OUTBREAK has now officially started in Britain

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11116687/ ... n-britain/

My point is it is ALREADY HERE in Thailand.

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Post by GT93 » March 7, 2020, 12:45 pm

Yes, and probably in spades.

Meanwhile some Aussie sheilas have a bit of a biffo in a Sydney supermarket over some bog paper:

https://youtu.be/Zn2HqLOFyFU

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Post by stattointhailand » March 7, 2020, 1:28 pm

Sky news UK reporting that there is a bog roll shortage due to hoarding

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Post by Khun Paul » March 7, 2020, 3:52 pm

Borrowed this from the WWW
In a time of coronavirus, small mistakes can have outsize consequences.
In the small southern Italian town of San Marco in Lamis, a man who died before it was known that he was carrying the virus infected his wife and daughter, who then came into contact with dozens of relatives and friends at his funeral – 70 of whom are now in quarantine.
The dead man, 75, had travelled to a city in Lombardy in the north – where the outbreak is most severe – with his daughter, falling sick and dying on his return to almost the opposite end of the country. The events are now the subject of a formal investigation.
“A postmortem test revealed the man was infected with the coronavirus, but the result came out only after his body was released to the family,” Ludovico Vaccaro, head of the public prosecutor’s office in Foggia, told the Guardian. “They should have waited for the result of the test,” Vaccaro said.
The incident has dramatised a trend that has become increasingly clear: how, at almost every turn, the new coronavirus has exploited human errors in its apparently relentless spread across the planet.
From a lack of full engagement by political leadership to faulty testing kits, misapplied protocols, delays, missed opportunities and plain bad luck, the virus has slipped through the gaps.
And across the globe, similar patterns have repeated themselves. Perhaps most familiar, as the virus has forged into new locations, has been the tendency of health professionals to prioritise testing of symptoms in those with strong links to already established high risk locations – at first China, and then Iran, South Korea and Italy, among others.
In the process, that has allowed cases to slip the net, often with significant consequences as it has become increasingly clear from the study of gene data that often the virus has pursued multiple tracks.
While attention in Europe initially focused on the Italian response, and whether one of the first patients in the town of Codogno, Lombardy, should have been tested more quickly, an almost identical controversy also emerged in the US, where a patient with coronavirus symptoms was not tested for a week because they had no known exposure or travel history that might have pointed to the virus.
The US response under Donald Trump – who has sown confusion with random comments often at odds with the facts, as he sought to minimise the outbreak in an election year – has been a case in point.
In the space of barely a week, stories have emerged of problems with US testing kits supplied by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and a whistleblower complaint that medical staff dealing with infected patients were not supplied with proper equipment.
Allegations have also emerged of delays in testing the first case of community transmission in California, because of the lack of links to a high-risk location outside of the US.
“Diseases surprise us,” Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a recent conference call, underlining the overarching difficulties in trying to respond to and contain new diseases as they emerge. “We need to be reacting to the current situation even if it differs from what we planned for.”
As Italian officials have sought to understand the genesis of the worst outbreak in Europe, and beyond its borders, theories are beginning to emerge over what went wrong in the Italian response.
One line of inquiry is the authorities’ decision to allow flights from the north, where Italy’s outbreak began, to other parts of the country.
“We probably should have started tracking and registering people who came to the south from the red zones of northern Italy in order to avoid spreading to the southern cities of the country,” said Tullio Prestileo, a doctor in infectious diseases at Palermo’s Benfratelli hospital.
In some cases countries have simply not been able to identify the roots of the outbreak to draw any meaningful conclusions, even as rumours have swirled.
In France’s Oise department, which has the country’s biggest cluster, authorities are searching for their “patient zero”, the person from whom the contaminations originated.
While some reports in the French media have pointed to a military airbase with 15 infections as the source of the cluster, implicating a repatriation flight from China, that has been emphatically denied by French authorities who point out that no one on the flight has tested positive; not passengers, not crew, while the French military say flight crew did not enter Chinese territory.
For those who have spent many years dealing with outbreaks, some of the issues are familiar. Updating journalists on the progress of the fight against the virus, Mike Ryan, the World Health Organization’s head of emergencies, referred to the issue.
“I’ve been at this a long time and no one has ever responded to an epidemic perfectly. No one has ever responded in perfect time, with a perfect response,” he said, even as the WHO has insisted that the sharp continuing decline in Chinese cases demonstrates the disease can be controlled with a strong and unified response.
“This is the real world we live in. Every emergency response is dotted with missed opportunities and unfortunate delays, and sometimes decisions that have to be made on limited data, [where] you look back and you say ‘If we knew then what we know now, then we might have done something different.’”
The intrinsic nature of the new coronavirus has also been a complicating factor. Paradoxically, despite being far less deadly in terms of mortality rate than Sars, the closely related coronavirus, the mildness of the symptoms experienced by many have also meant it is easier to miss.
One case in point was an early European cluster identified in Munich, which some believe may have contributed to some of the first infections in Italy.
According to researchers who have looked at the genetic information in about a fourth of new infections – in Mexico, Finland, Scotland and Italy as well as the first case in Brazil – these appeared similar to that initial Munich cluster suggesting, according to Trevor Bedford, a researcher at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, how routes of transmission were being missed.
“An extremely important take home message here is that just because a cluster has been identified and ‘contained’ doesn’t actually mean this case did not seed a transmission chain that went undetected until it grew to be [a] sizable outbreak,” Bedford posted to Twitter.
It is a view echoed by Francesca Russo, a senior doctor in the Veneto region. She has been involved in the search for Italy’s ‘patient zero’, earning her the nickname “Patient Zero Hunter.”
“It seems the virus has been circulating under the radar, for some time, alongside the normal flu virus. The most accepted hypothesis, at the moment, is that the virus arrived in Europe from the first infections in Germany and France and then arrived in Italy from everywhere,” she said.
Related: Coronavirus latest: at a glance
In the final analysis, however, what concerns those at the head of the international response is not the small mistakes but the big omissions in policy – not least the fact that many countries have yet to fully mobilise their responses.
“There are a number of countries that have left this up to the minister of health and the health ministry; we’re saying this is wrong, it needs a whole government approach,” said the head of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
A coordinated human intervention won’t stop every transmission, but it can reduce the peak of the whole epidemic, WHO experts say. And that is what could ultimately mitigate the virus’s impact.

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Post by Zidane » March 8, 2020, 12:26 pm

An American chap who caught the coronavirus whilst on the cruise ship Diamond Princess has received death threats on his return home.
He says there are a lot of crazy people out there.
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Post by jai yen yen » March 8, 2020, 1:56 pm

tamada wrote:
March 7, 2020, 11:47 am
AlexO wrote:
March 7, 2020, 12:04 am
I am sorry Tam but I cannot see the "sense" in hiding the 'cause' of the illness. If these people did not contract COVID-19 would they have the same viral pneumonia?? To hide the true numbers of people suffering (or not depending on the symptoms experienced) in Thailand to me is gross mismanagement of a situation that will only get worse. As for your reference to c and g influenza deaths, these totals are for whole winter/outbreak durations. COVID-19 has only been an issue for about 8 weeks and is spreading rapidly.
If you look at the PUI numbers updated and published daily by the Thai DPH, there's absolutely nothing being hidden. Thousands of people have been and continue to be tested every day. Where are these "numbers of people suffering" from Covid-19? Is it possible that thousands of Covid-19 victims in Thailand are being either ignored or hidden away in gulags somewhere? Warehouses full of body bags anyone? Family members being paid to keep quiet?

If one has been exposed to Covid-19, unless one is asymptomatic, then there's a high likelihood that viral pneumonia will ensue, especially with the elderly, those with compromised immune systems or pre-existing conditions.

As soon one embraces the idea that Covid-19 infection is an inevitability regardless of how old you are, where you live, what your lifestyle is and what your government claims is doing, then this pressing need to be kept current on dodging the bullet evaporates. This bullet cannot easily be dodged if at all. It's a morbid fascination with trying to avoid an inevitability which won't make it any easier if/when it strikes.

Would you be happier if the Thai government had announced the same rate of Covid-19 infections as other SE Asian nations are reporting? I am pretty confident that their 'honesty' would be quickly denigrated as more evidence of how pathetically unprepared the hopeless Thai authorities, etc., etc., etc.. You know, the usual Thai bashing. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Calling it viral pneumonia is b.s. It is coronavirus and in typical Thai fashion they hide the dirty laundry.

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Post by 747man » March 8, 2020, 2:09 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
March 7, 2020, 1:28 pm
Sky news UK reporting that there is a bog roll shortage due to hoarding
Same as Australia.....Keep Up at The Back,Statts....

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Post by pipoz4444 » March 8, 2020, 7:54 pm

747man wrote:
March 8, 2020, 2:09 pm
stattointhailand wrote:
March 7, 2020, 1:28 pm
Sky news UK reporting that there is a bog roll shortage due to hoarding
Same as Australia.....Keep Up at The Back,Statts....
Goes to show how "Far behind the Times, some countries are. :-k

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Post by stattointhailand » March 8, 2020, 8:58 pm

Some countries use Tea Leaves :confused: :confused:

and some use Ten fingers

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Is it too much to hope for (probably) that the Thai authorities can coordinate informed, clear information on what’s expected of foreigners entering the country in relation to the virus? Whilst appreciating things may have to change, what is the policy/what are the requirements now?
The Bangkok Post highlights the confusion e.g. which countries are deemed ‘risk’, is quarantine, reporting necessary or not etc? It’s a mess, the usual muddle.
My wife tells me that village heads have been told to check on those arriving from abroad. Quite what’s supposed to happen locally is unclear.
The jungle telegraph is, of course, in operation. Up this way, I’m advised that some returnees have come back (from US?) to their village home and there’s concern (justified?) from villagers that they’re going out and about as normal. Rumours and over-reaction because of the lack of clear guidance can result in problems too.

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Brian Davis wrote:
March 9, 2020, 6:11 am
Is it too much to hope for (probably) that the Thai authorities can coordinate informed, clear information on what’s expected of foreigners entering the country in relation to the virus? Whilst appreciating things may have to change, what is the policy/what are the requirements now?
The Bangkok Post highlights the confusion e.g. which countries are deemed ‘risk’, is quarantine, reporting necessary or not etc? It’s a mess, the usual muddle.

My wife tells me that village heads have been told to check on those arriving from abroad. Quite what’s supposed to happen locally is unclear.
The jungle telegraph is, of course, in operation. Up this way, I’m advised that some returnees have come back (from US?) to their village home and there’s concern (justified?) from villagers that they’re going out and about as normal. Rumours and over-reaction because of the lack of clear guidance can result in problems too.
It doesnt help whit this happens ... 80 out of 200 Thais arriving from South Korea ESCAPE.whilst being processed for quarantine. WTF were these cretins thinking of and the dangers of an Italian style spread of the virus from where they return too all over Thailand ..crazy.

FULL STORY HERE

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/coronav ... h-underway
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Post by Drunk Monkey » March 9, 2020, 8:26 am

Drunk Monkey wrote:
March 9, 2020, 7:31 am
Brian Davis wrote:
March 9, 2020, 6:11 am
Is it too much to hope for (probably) that the Thai authorities can coordinate informed, clear information on what’s expected of foreigners entering the country in relation to the virus? Whilst appreciating things may have to change, what is the policy/what are the requirements now?
The Bangkok Post highlights the confusion e.g. which countries are deemed ‘risk’, is quarantine, reporting necessary or not etc? It’s a mess, the usual muddle.

My wife tells me that village heads have been told to check on those arriving from abroad. Quite what’s supposed to happen locally is unclear.
The jungle telegraph is, of course, in operation. Up this way, I’m advised that some returnees have come back (from US?) to their village home and there’s concern (justified?) from villagers that they’re going out and about as normal. Rumours and over-reaction because of the lack of clear guidance can result in problems too.
It doesnt help whit this happens ... 80 out of 200 Thais arriving from South Korea ESCAPE.whilst being processed for quarantine. WTF were these cretins thinking of and the dangers of an Italian style spread of the virus from where they return too all over Thailand ..crazy.

FULL STORY HERE

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/coronav ... h-underway
Just reading another associated article to above and the Government is trying to locate and round up the escapees to get them into quarantine ..tho it may be a bit late .. with the possibility of prosecution and jail in the future.

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Post by noosard » March 9, 2020, 8:31 am

Oz just got a virus case from old fella returning from Thailand and another from England via Singapore

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Post by saint » March 9, 2020, 8:39 am

Drunk Monkey wrote:
March 9, 2020, 7:31 am
Brian Davis wrote:
March 9, 2020, 6:11 am
Is it too much to hope for (probably) that the Thai authorities can coordinate informed, clear information on what’s expected of foreigners entering the country in relation to the virus? Whilst appreciating things may have to change, what is the policy/what are the requirements now?
The Bangkok Post highlights the confusion e.g. which countries are deemed ‘risk’, is quarantine, reporting necessary or not etc? It’s a mess, the usual muddle.

My wife tells me that village heads have been told to check on those arriving from abroad. Quite what’s supposed to happen locally is unclear.
The jungle telegraph is, of course, in operation. Up this way, I’m advised that some returnees have come back (from US?) to their village home and there’s concern (justified?) from villagers that they’re going out and about as normal. Rumours and over-reaction because of the lack of clear guidance can result in problems too.
It doesnt help whit this happens ... 80 out of 200 Thais arriving from South Korea ESCAPE.whilst being processed for quarantine. WTF were these cretins thinking of and the dangers of an Italian style spread of the virus from where they return too all over Thailand ..crazy.

FULL STORY HERE

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/coronav ... h-underway
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It also doesnt help that there is very little real information coming from the government , coupled with a health minister who is completely inept at his job .
Whilst i understand they do not want people to panic , the truth concerning this virus in Thailand from the authorities would be helpful , for sensible citizens to organise their lives accordingly .
But no , the tourist dollar appears to be more important than the nations health .

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Post by noosard » March 9, 2020, 9:12 am

Kaskorn bank has stopped foriegn exchange
Reason state as Italian changed money was infected
Now if all the banks follow suit tourist will be a little short on useable cash

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Post by tamada » March 9, 2020, 9:15 am

noosard wrote:
March 9, 2020, 9:12 am
Kaskorn bank has stopped foriegn exchange
Reason state as Italian changed money was infected
Now if all the banks follow suit tourist will be a little short on useable cash
Unless they use the independent money changers and ATM machines like most savvy travelers do.

See? Nothing too alarming after all.

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Post by Brian Davis » March 9, 2020, 11:59 am

An extract from an article in the Bangkok Post and I think, a guy who should know what he's talking about.

The government appears to have lost the support of one vocal and loyal supporter, former Thammasat University lecturer and marketing guru Seri Wongmontha……..
In a Facebook post on Sunday, Ajahn Seri admitted he had lost the energy to support the government because some ministers have hidden agendas for their own vested interests while some other ministers are either incompetent or have been put in the wrong jobs and refuse to give them up.
………..I couldn't agree more with his frustration and sarcastic summation of the performance of several cabinet ministers who were given their ministerial posts not because of their competency, wisdom, expertise or vision, but because of the parliamentary seats that they have delivered and their brotherly connections with the prime minister.
……….Another big question is the shortage of protective gear such as face masks, and gowns and gloves for medical personnel. This should be the responsibility of the Commerce Ministry and, so far, the ministry, particularly the Internal Trade Department, has failed all of us. As Ajahn Seri said: "You guys suck, hopeless."

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Post by TJ » March 9, 2020, 1:38 pm

Putting people on their honor these days to self-quarantine themselves at home to me seems a questionable practice.

Isn't there some electronic device available that can be secured around an ankle that transmits a signal when the perp leaves his house that can be an effective means for monitoring compliance and tracking these bad eggs?

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Post by tamada » March 9, 2020, 1:40 pm

Brian Davis wrote:
March 9, 2020, 11:59 am
An extract from an article in the Bangkok Post and I think, a guy who should know what he's talking about.

The government appears to have lost the support of one vocal and loyal supporter, former Thammasat University lecturer and marketing guru Seri Wongmontha……..
In a Facebook post on Sunday, Ajahn Seri admitted he had lost the energy to support the government because some ministers have hidden agendas for their own vested interests while some other ministers are either incompetent or have been put in the wrong jobs and refuse to give them up.
………..I couldn't agree more with his frustration and sarcastic summation of the performance of several cabinet ministers who were given their ministerial posts not because of their competency, wisdom, expertise or vision, but because of the parliamentary seats that they have delivered and their brotherly connections with the prime minister.
……….Another big question is the shortage of protective gear such as face masks, and gowns and gloves for medical personnel. This should be the responsibility of the Commerce Ministry and, so far, the ministry, particularly the Internal Trade Department, has failed all of us. As Ajahn Seri said: "You guys suck, hopeless."
And to think that only four days ago, the Director General of the WHO himself was saying.. no pleading,

"This is not a drill.

This is not the time to give up.

This is not a time for excuses.

This is a time for pulling out all the stops."


I trust that this one person throwing the towel in isn't trying to politicize the issue any more than it has been already.

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