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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » January 11, 2022, 10:31 pm



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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Earnest » January 12, 2022, 1:37 am

Udon Map wrote:
January 10, 2022, 7:11 pm
Boris Johnson Is Revealing Who He Really Is
He'll be moved on soon. The Tories are renowned for stabbing their leaders in the back and he's become a liability.

There are alot of angry people in Blighty, Sir. Furthermore, he sent a junior minister to respond to the Opposition on his behalf in the House today, spineless.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by GT93 » January 12, 2022, 8:25 am

Many Europeans will be chuckling.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Drunk Monkey » January 12, 2022, 8:29 am

Failing the nation on Brexit (6 yrs after the ppl voted out) and Covid plus add on this party BS and Boris is on very very thin ice with many in his own party tapping around the edges of the pond so he will fall through.

IMO
Boris wants out , hes been outed as a liar. and had enough of the job that was his destiny ..its turned out badly and hes just trying to get out in the best way to save what ------ reputation he has left.

Others are circling including Liz Truss who realizes if she can get article 16 triggered she will get the keys to No 10 ..

Expect Bojo to go soon ...walk or pushed , resign or ousted either way ....... very soon

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by GT93 » January 12, 2022, 8:34 am

His destiny? A lazy buffoon's destiny was to be Prime Minister?

Many Europeans will be chuckling.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Drunk Monkey » January 12, 2022, 8:41 am

GT93 wrote:
January 12, 2022, 8:34 am
His destiny? A lazy buffoon's destiny was to be Prime Minister?

Many Europeans will be chuckling.
Boris was touted as a future PM years n years back whilst in Uni .. fact ..

The EU may be chuckling over Johnsons demise but wont be when his successor stops the BS and gets things done ...also Reform UK waiting in the wings ..a force to be reckoned with in the future political landscape.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » January 12, 2022, 2:43 pm

tamada wrote:
January 11, 2022, 8:37 pm
Note that the 'but Blair' deflection has now been exercised on two threads. I guess that's what happens when the 'but Corbyn' excuse loses traction before strutting about with a gilt framed picture of the 'Iron Lady'.

With regard to the abomination of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill as portrayed by the NYT, maybe our resident Bojo cheerleader can tell us what the good bits of it are and what the gormless Brits can look forward to?
Wrong in so many ways Tam
Thank the Gods Corbyn was never in a position of power to instigate many of his lunatic ideas however, Blair was and did manage to take us into an illegal war, sign get out of jail free cards to evil terrorists and virtually hand over all vestiges of UK independence to the EU (even Brown refused to be filmed signing the Maastricht agreement and would only do so behind closed doors in private) I am no BoJo cheerleader by any means but I am willing to support the leader of the political party who millions of Brits voted into power.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » January 12, 2022, 4:00 pm

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P3 Give us an example of peoples rights being stripped away with this new legislation.
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The fact that it's co-sponsored by the sociopath Priti Patel should give you a good clue. But here's your starter for 10.

Part 2: Serious violence duty, which would allow the police to demand information about individuals (including victims and children) from a range of public bodies. Despite purporting to be a ‘public health’ approach to the issue of violence, it represents a new iteration of enforcement driven policy akin to the Gangs Violence Matrix and the PREVENT programme. Moreover, the duty would weaken important data protection principles and confidentiality obligations.

Part 3: Increased powers for police to impose restrictions on peaceful procession, assembly, and protest, which would expand the circumstances in which police can impose conditions on a range of activities. For example, religious festivals, community gatherings (from Notting Hill Carnival to firework nights, such as those in Lewes), football matches, LGBT+ Pride marches, vigils/remembrance ceremonies, and so on. The Bill also removes the need to knowingly breach police-imposed conditions in order to commit an offence and introduces a broad statutory offence of public nuisance with a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. These changes risk breaching rights to freedom of expression and assembly and the requirement for legal certainty.

Part 4: Increased powers for police to respond to ‘unauthorised encampments’, which would create a new offence of residing or intending to reside on land with a vehicle where it causes, or is likely to cause “significant disruption, damage, or distress”. It also increases the existing period of time in which trespassers directed from land would be unable to return from three to 12 months, and grant private landowners’ significant powers to trigger a criminal offence with respect to what is ordinarily a civil dispute. These measures would likely indirectly discriminate against Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people, breach their rights to privacy and the home and be in breach of the public sector equality duty.

Part 7: Blanket changes to early release and increased tariffs, which would increase the amount of time those detained must spend in prison before being released on license to serve the rest of their sentence in the community for certain offences. These changes would disproportionally impact Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic people, undermine the rehabilitation of those detained, and incur significant financial costs through unduly extended periods of imprisonment.

Part 7: Greater powers for the Secretary of State for Justice to determine which prisoners can and cannot be automatically released, which would put pressure on the capacity of the Parole Board and risk breaching prisoner’s right to liberty under Article 5 of the ECHR, Article 6 ECHR right to a fair trial, and Article 7 ECHR right against retrospective punishment.

Part 10: Serious Violence Reduction Orders, which would give the police the power to stop and search anybody subject to this order without the need for reasonable grounds to suspect them of having committed a crime. Like all other types of stop and search power, it is likely that SVROs would be used disproportionally against ethnic minorities – especially Black men. This would further damage police relations with minority communities and risk violating an individual’s Article 8 ECHR rights to privacy.

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Find it quite amusing that Priti Patel only became a "sociopath" when she when she became Home Secretary, never heard her being called that when she was Minister for Overseas Development or maybe I was just reading the wrong news outlets.
Part 2 What important data protection principles and confidentiality obligations are you talking about. Lawyers confidentiality is still sacrosanct so what should law abiding citizens be afraid of?

Part 3 I note that you have just mentioned the normal everyday gatherings of normal people, you make no reference's to the violent, destructive and disruptive type of protests this is specifically aimed at. The Insulate Britain protests are mainly peaceful but are specifically designed to cause as much disruption to 'normal peoples lives and even prevent the emergency services from attending life threatening incidents being an example.

Part 4 Why should anyone feel it is their right to invade someone else's property, cause any amount of damage and then just move on to do the same. What would your reaction be if 4/6 of these people decided to set up in your front garden and proceed to destroy it. I hardly think you would welcome them with tea and biscuits. When these illegal invaders set up on private lands the owners have to pay for the clean up operations, when its public land its the tax payer who has to pay. Another example of the perpetrators having their rights protected while those offended against can spin as they say.

Part 7 Another example of the injustice in our system where the vast majority of criminals are 'entitled' to a 50% reduction in their sentences for which the have been found guilty. How would you feel if it was your daughter that had been raped, your son maimed of murdered by some knife wielding thug and was out walking the streets a few years later while the victims remain victims for ever. No ones right to a fair trial is being questioned, but why is someone entitled to liberty after committing some horrific crimes and just where does it say that retrospective punishment is going to be allowed.
How it affects just people of a different colour is lost on me as well and if your are worried about increased costs (which is a rather pathetic reason for releasing criminals back into society) make the guilty work for their food, in cell tv's, sports and gym equipment. Again this argument is all about the guilty being protected and not the victims.

Part 10 The UK and the South especially is witnessing a knife murder/wounding epidemic. I was always under the understanding that the police and other agencies were there to help reduce/stop crime not just note down details of the crime and try to find the guilty. To stop and search those who the police believe are carrying lethal weapons to me is just part of normal police law enforcement. If (as statistic's show) the vast majority of the knife and gun wielding thugs and victims are either coloured or of Eastern European origins then it stands to reason the majority of this demo graph are those that are going to be stopped and searched. What use would the stopping and searching of a 70 year old white lady have on the prevention of crime. Again it seems the right to carry weapons designed to kill and maim is more important in some peoples view than trying to prevent the crimes in the first place. Have you watched the programmes where ladies of colour are visibly upset and pleading with the authorities to do something to prevent the waste of young lives in their communities.

Again I am of the opinion that these slight changes to the 'fantasy' of so called of human rights will not affect the vast majority of law abiding citizens and only affect criminals and other ner do wells. Human rights are for normal law abiding citizens, the victims of crime as well as the criminals or has the left wing in politics forgotten that.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by AlexO » January 12, 2022, 9:37 pm

A letter dated some 40 years ago, what in the name of Holy Hell has that got to do with his leadership of the UK these days.
UK Government is not a one man band it is a consensus of initially the Cabinet then offered to the House of Commons and unfortunately also the House of the unelected House of Lords for approval.
It should be noted that there is no such thing similar to the USA Presidential Decree where the US President issues laws/rules/judgments at his personal whim.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by jackspratt » January 12, 2022, 10:43 pm

AlexO wrote:
January 12, 2022, 9:37 pm
A letter dated some 40 years ago, what in the name of Holy Hell has that got to do with his leadership of the UK these days.
It seems to show that, in the case of Johnson, nothing much has changed over the past 40 years.

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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Earnest » January 13, 2022, 1:43 am

Udon Map wrote:
January 12, 2022, 9:22 pm
Officer IC Udon Map's Martin Hammond letter.
Yes, good find, Sir. The UK Media is in a frenzy and baying for BoJo's testicles. I think we may have a new Prime Minister by this time next week.

But who could replace him, readers? Well, probably Rishi Sunak or Michael Gove. God forbid if it's Raab.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » January 13, 2022, 5:32 am

Prince Andrew has many friends domestic and overseas. He could stage a coup and bring back the absolute monarchy. Such an event would bring peace, quiet and unity to the disgruntled populace.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » January 13, 2022, 7:24 am

AlexO wrote:
January 12, 2022, 9:37 pm
A letter dated some 40 years ago, what in the name of Holy Hell has that got to do with his leadership of the UK these days.
UK Government is not a one man band it is a consensus of initially the Cabinet then offered to the House of Commons and unfortunately also the House of the unelected House of Lords for approval.
It should be noted that there is no such thing similar to the USA Presidential Decree where the US President issues laws/rules/judgments at his personal whim.
Jeez Alex...are your eyes painted on?

Because the letter, if real, describes Boris Johnson to a tee and you KNOW it does. We can only assume that Boris Sr. must have been an early proponent of the "no smacking" mantra for child discipline. Your penchant for placing your leadership on pedestals is alarming. It was misplaced with Thatcher who was ultimately hoist by her own petard. In the current state of this nation's play, it is downright dangerous.

How can upward of a hundred "workers" at #10, fellow cabinet members and the serried ranks of their MP's still be in such thrall of the PM that the serial law breaking and nose-thumbing deceit never saw daylight until now? How many more times must the PM mumble being deeply something or other for the results of another cock up? The whole craven bunch are increasingly trying to hide behind the "head boy" while he casts around for more to throw under the bus. I wonder who is going to pull a "Geoffrey Howe" on Johnson? When that happens, that sound you will hear from Westminster will be from the chickens coming home to roost (the sound of 360 arseholes puckering).

PMQ's yesterday was a slow motion train wreck for the Tories. You could see Boris was seething with rage each and every time he repeated the rote, "Wait for the results of the inquiry" response. Where was the classic deflection when responding to a "cherry-picked" Tory question where he spins and points at the Leader of the Opposition and blames them for doing nothing with some flowery prose? The Tory cherry-pickers failed miserably yesterday with their milquetoast questions. Can't defuse this ticking time-bomb.

The man's hubris must be more infectious than omicron.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Drunk Monkey » January 13, 2022, 7:26 am

Earnest wrote:
January 13, 2022, 1:43 am
Udon Map wrote:
January 12, 2022, 9:22 pm
Officer IC Udon Map's Martin Hammond letter.
Yes, good find, Sir. The UK Media is in a frenzy and baying for BoJo's testicles. I think we may have a new Prime Minister by this time next week.

But who could replace him, readers? Well, probably Rishi Sunak or Michael Gove. God forbid if it's Raab.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by tamada » January 13, 2022, 7:26 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
January 13, 2022, 5:32 am
Prince Andrew has many friends domestic and overseas. He could stage a coup and bring back the absolute monarchy. Such an event would bring peace, quiet and unity to the disgruntled populace.
Great idea. We would then get a proper statue of Lady Di.
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Re: General Discussion of UK Politics

Post by Drunk Monkey » January 13, 2022, 7:49 am

Just watched Bojo get ripped a new arse by Starmer at PMQS ...and rightly so .. piss poor excuse for an opllogy. im predicting he will be out within the next 48 hrs
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Post by tamada » January 13, 2022, 9:10 am

Not quite so fast but I think he's on his last (final) warning from the 1922 committee, party mandarins, DONORS, etc..

There's the 50 letters from his own coterie required to get the no confidence debate. If he wins that, he can't be challenged for another year (worked for his predecessor). If he loses, he's out but not sure if his Cabinet all get the heave-ho or it's suspended pending new management. I think the Tories have 14 days to get an accepted new PM and (recycled) cabinet in place. If they fail, then parliament is dissolved, snap election, end of the world as we know it, etc..

The irony is that NCV's are of low-incidence and even less success with the notable exception of Thatcher kicking out Callaghan's minority government way back in 1979. The Tories majority will get them through this if it happens but the "borrowed vote" will become a more precious commodity for whoever succeeds the incumbent.
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Post by tamada » January 13, 2022, 10:56 am

In other news yesterday, the courts ruled that the Tory government's 'VIP' fast-track of Covid/PPE contract awards is/was illegal.
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Post by stattointhailand » January 13, 2022, 11:09 am

And their punishment for stealing millions of taxpayers money will be ?????

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