Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by jai yen yen » June 16, 2020, 9:30 pm

I wonder why people are not more concerned about slavery happening today then the slavery hundreds of years ago. Women, children and men are subject to slavery and sex slavery all around the world yet no one protests this or seems to care.



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Post by Doodoo » June 16, 2020, 10:26 pm

One person that cares is George Clooney the actor
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN20K20X
George Clooney 'saddened' over Nespresso link to child labor in Guatemala

He and his wife continue to fight against racism and slavery around the world

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by rick » June 17, 2020, 12:31 am

Interesting fact - most of the wealthy 'old' families of the UK made a lot of their money either from Slave trading, slave plantations producing sugar, tobacco or cotton, and opium. Oh, and piracy.
When the British decided to do something they usually cornered the market .....

Many of them became philanthropists .... Maybe a bit of guilt involved. A bit like Bill Gates, in the 80's and 90's he was a ruthless business man, Now he gives it all away.

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by Udon Map » June 17, 2020, 7:44 am

rick wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:31 am
A bit like Bill Gates, in the 80's and 90's he was a ruthless business man, Now he gives it all away.
Would you define "ruthless businessman" please? Are you implying that he did anything illegal, immoral, etc.?

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by GT93 » June 17, 2020, 8:36 am

I thought Bill Gates was a "good guy". We seem to like attacking statues in NZ. A a statue of individual George V has been decapitated five times. :shock:
The researchers examined all 123 statues of named individuals identified on outdoor public land in New Zealand during a survey in 2018 and 2019, and found almost a quarter (23 percent) had been attacked at least once.

Lead researcher Professor Nick Wilson says "the statue subject's role in past injustices and militarism appeared to increase the risk of attack".

Attacks on statues have increased since 1990, and are often quite violent.
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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by tamada » June 17, 2020, 9:27 am

Doodoo wrote:
June 16, 2020, 10:26 pm
One person that cares is George Clooney the actor
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN20K20X
George Clooney 'saddened' over Nespresso link to child labor in Guatemala

He and his wife continue to fight against racism and slavery around the world
Clooney. He's right up there with... Bono and the like.

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by mech_401 » June 17, 2020, 12:54 pm

rick wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:31 am

Many of them became philanthropists .... Maybe a bit of guilt involved. A bit like Bill Gates, in the 80's and 90's he was a ruthless business man, Now he gives it all away.
richard branson is probably a better example. a
notorious tax cheat ( all his companies in offshore
shelters) recently asked 10s of thousands of
employees to " go 8 wks without pay" while he
relaxes on his private isle in BVI. so british

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by mech_401 » June 17, 2020, 12:58 pm

tamada wrote:
June 16, 2020, 9:18 pm

The boiling pot has been and always will be in America. They imported slave labour into their heartland and have struggled to facilitate the aftermath . . .
i think you meant to say the " 13 original british
colonies" with scot & brit settlers imported the
slaves? this was late 17th century now

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by papafarang » June 17, 2020, 2:16 pm

mech_401 wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:58 pm
tamada wrote:
June 16, 2020, 9:18 pm

The boiling pot has been and always will be in America. They imported slave labour into their heartland and have struggled to facilitate the aftermath . . .
i think you meant to say the " 13 original british
colonies" with scot & brit settlers imported the
slaves? this was late 17th century now
Actually the first African slaves came with the Spanish to America
Hansa village clubhouse . Tel 0981657001 https://www.google.co.th/maps/place/Han ... 5851?hl=en

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by dunroaming » June 17, 2020, 2:29 pm

papafarang wrote:
June 17, 2020, 2:16 pm
mech_401 wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:58 pm
tamada wrote:
June 16, 2020, 9:18 pm

The boiling pot has been and always will be in America. They imported slave labour into their heartland and have struggled to facilitate the aftermath . . .
i think you meant to say the " 13 original british
colonies" with scot & brit settlers imported the
slaves? this was late 17th century now
Actually the first African slaves came with the Spanish to America
Were taken from Angola in the 16th century by the Portuguese

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Post by papafarang » June 17, 2020, 2:36 pm

dunroaming wrote:
June 17, 2020, 2:29 pm
papafarang wrote:
June 17, 2020, 2:16 pm
mech_401 wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:58 pm
tamada wrote:
June 16, 2020, 9:18 pm

The boiling pot has been and always will be in America. They imported slave labour into their heartland and have struggled to facilitate the aftermath . . .
i think you meant to say the " 13 original british
colonies" with scot & brit settlers imported the
slaves? this was late 17th century now
Actually the first African slaves came with the Spanish to America
Were taken from Angola in the 16th century by the Portuguese
Bloody Europeans
Hansa village clubhouse . Tel 0981657001 https://www.google.co.th/maps/place/Han ... 5851?hl=en

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by dunroaming » June 17, 2020, 2:41 pm

papafarang wrote:
June 17, 2020, 2:36 pm
dunroaming wrote:
June 17, 2020, 2:29 pm
papafarang wrote:
June 17, 2020, 2:16 pm
mech_401 wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:58 pm
tamada wrote:
June 16, 2020, 9:18 pm

The boiling pot has been and always will be in America. They imported slave labour into their heartland and have struggled to facilitate the aftermath . . .
i think you meant to say the " 13 original british
colonies" with scot & brit settlers imported the
slaves? this was late 17th century now
Actually the first African slaves came with the Spanish to America
Were taken from Angola in the 16th century by the Portuguese
Bloody Europeans
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Yeah exactly all their fault all we did was bought them in Jamestown

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by mech_401 » June 17, 2020, 8:46 pm

you could say that sure , but probably more than
likely the portuguese& dutch sold to their own
colonies. and scot &brit traders to their colonies

in fact, as brits often had exclusivity agreements
/laws banning outside traders so they could maintain monopolies. i'll suggest it was so.

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by mech_401 » June 17, 2020, 9:40 pm

now , i don't want you guys to get all wound-up
over this stuff :-s " it's not personal" just take
a quik look at history & brit colonial empire

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by Khun Paul » June 18, 2020, 6:08 pm

The British per se, were not the only nation in Europe to benefit, after the inception of the original 13 colonies, they immigration of a far wider scale occurred and likewise the need employ thousands to grow the food build the railways etc. As stated Owners and builders and farmers needed a workforce so approached their respective home countries to supply this, the ne'er do wells on the African Continent saw this and quite blatantly stated they would supply the necessary manpower and the story evolves into now what has been called Racism when in fact it was just a workforce supply requirement filled by many countries.
I do say it was right, it was not BUT THEN it was expedient and accepted and served the need , but over time in America they saw it as bad, so hence the Civil War and sadly many have not got over that .

Now we have slavery but all nice and tidied up, workers to foreign countries, poorly paid, in debt to the arranger and often mis-treated and in this I am just talking about many Thais, other countries are in the same situation. But it serves a purpose and is needed I like to think we employ safely and reward correctly those that work for us , sadly we all know too well how many locals treat their staff .

Slavery like Prostitution is a need of the Human race to perpetuate , there are always those that need sex and always those that need servants .It was so in Mark Anthony's and Cleopatra's time and has not changed one jot since then

That folks is a fact of life that centuries have shown us is a fact and will not change because someone sadly got killed in humanely by another person .

We may shout and scream and hopefully learn but change the way the world works ......Nope, not one jot !

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by tamada » June 18, 2020, 6:34 pm

mech_401 wrote:
June 17, 2020, 12:58 pm
tamada wrote:
June 16, 2020, 9:18 pm

The boiling pot has been and always will be in America. They imported slave labour into their heartland and have struggled to facilitate the aftermath . . .
i think you meant to say the " 13 original british
colonies" with scot & brit settlers imported the
slaves? this was late 17th century now
No I didn't. The European settlers to the Americas' didn't bring or import slaves. It's the subsequent second generation (and onwards) born and bred Americans that needed them, imported them and ultimately fought to retain them as a God-given right, even after the Civil War. Then they let it fester for another 157 years or so.
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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by mech_401 » June 19, 2020, 7:46 am

yes , hundreds of thousands of americans died
in civil war. trying to correct the injustices scots
and brits perpetuated on continent. stirring stuff

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Post by jackspratt » June 19, 2020, 10:22 am

Khun Paul wrote:
June 18, 2020, 6:08 pm
The British per se, were not the only nation in Europe to benefit, after the inception of the original 13 colonies, they immigration of a far wider scale occurred and likewise the need employ thousands to grow the food build the railways etc. As stated Owners and builders and farmers needed a workforce so approached their respective home countries to supply this, the ne'er do wells on the African Continent saw this and quite blatantly stated they would supply the necessary manpower and the story evolves into now what has been called Racism when in fact it was just a workforce supply requirement filled by many countries.
If it wasn't racism, can you tell us about the white slaves who were forcibly removed from their country, transported thousands of kilometres to different countries in the "New World", and once there bought, sold and treated like cattle by their "owner"?

With their offspring also becoming the property of the lucky owner, facing a future of lifetime forced labour according to the whims of that owner.
That folks is a fact of life that centuries have shown us is a fact and will not change because someone sadly got killed in humanely by another person ........

........We may shout and scream and hopefully learn but change the way the world works ......Nope, not one jot !
So we should sit quietly, say nothing, and just accept that slavery was and is expedient, and a product of supply and demand? [-(

I never cease to be amazed. :confused:

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by Khun Paul » June 19, 2020, 11:23 am

jackspratt wrote:
June 19, 2020, 10:22 am
Khun Paul wrote:
June 18, 2020, 6:08 pm
The British per se, were not the only nation in Europe to benefit, after the inception of the original 13 colonies, they immigration of a far wider scale occurred and likewise the need employ thousands to grow the food build the railways etc. As stated Owners and builders and farmers needed a workforce so approached their respective home countries to supply this, the ne'er do wells on the African Continent saw this and quite blatantly stated they would supply the necessary manpower and the story evolves into now what has been called Racism when in fact it was just a workforce supply requirement filled by many countries.
If it wasn't racism, can you tell us about the white slaves who were forcibly removed from their country, transported thousands of kilometres to different countries in the "New World", and once there bought, sold and treated like cattle by their "owner"?

With their offspring also becoming the property of the lucky owner, facing a future of lifetime forced labour according to the whims of that owner.
That folks is a fact of life that centuries have shown us is a fact and will not change because someone sadly got killed in humanely by another person ........

........We may shout and scream and hopefully learn but change the way the world works ......Nope, not one jot !
So we should sit quietly, say nothing, and just accept that slavery was and is expedient, and a product of supply and demand? [-(

I never cease to be amazed. :confused:
Your easily astounded and amazed it seems, there is NO panacea for what occurred no matter how you wrap it up and under what heading you wish to call it . It is called HISTORY, cannot be re-written ( unless you are American ) and the lessons should be learnt and history taught so it does not reoccur. Removing Statues, or even the people themselves from History does not nor ever will change it , but some simple minded folk seem to think that is the best way forwqard. It should be embraced and LEARNT SO FUTURE GENERATIONS LEARN IT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE NOR SHOULD IT EVER BE SO AGAIN. but we all know slavery in some form or another is still going on worldwide, so target those people instead do not try to rewrite History because you do not like it. Use the History to challenge it today .

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Re: Bristol, England and its slave trading benefactor

Post by mech_401 » June 19, 2020, 11:27 am

all we've established so far , is that the scots &
brits are largely responsible. reached an impasse

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