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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by tamada » December 14, 2019, 2:44 pm

saint wrote:
December 14, 2019, 2:19 pm
Drunk Monkey wrote:
December 14, 2019, 1:24 pm
From.what ive seen ..they the labour front benchers are blami g everythi g else other than their **** leader n policiesx.. most using Brexit as the excuse for their miserable failure

Dm.
What the ---- ! This election was in truth only about one thing , Brexit .
They chose to ignore this fact and take a different path . The British public did not .
If Labour do not sort themselves out a bit sharpish , im afraid as a political force , they will be history , and a good start would be to bin Corbyn A S A P , to prove to the public that they are a serious political force .
That man is poison ,and should not even be leading a dog on a short lead , let alone the countries opposition . =;
Just saw a short extract of an interview with Corbyn and apart from still extolling the merits of the manifesto that nobody wanted, he reckons the party executive will meet 'early next year' to decide who gets to be the next hall monitor.
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by sometimewoodworker » December 14, 2019, 2:45 pm

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6 or 7bweeks is a long time in politics n ms Sturgeon may have a trick up.her sleeve ..the Scotts could leave with the uk in January and rejoin when they vote for independance .
That is an impossible idea as any dissolution of the union will require parliament to approve it.

Scotland can’t unilaterally quit, and certainly not without a Scottish referendum.

Neither rejoining the UK if they leave or EU after they leave as part of the UK in Brexit is automatic
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by Drunk Monkey » December 14, 2019, 2:52 pm

saint wrote:
December 14, 2019, 2:19 pm
Drunk Monkey wrote:
December 14, 2019, 1:24 pm
From.what ive seen ..they the labour front benchers are blami g everythi g else other than their **** leader n policiesx.. most using Brexit as the excuse for their miserable failure

Dm.
What the ---- ! This election was in truth only about one thing , Brexit .
They chose to ignore this fact and take a different path . The British public did not .
If Labour do not sort themselves out a bit sharpish , im afraid as a political force , they will be history , and a good start would be to bin Corbyn A S A P , to prove to the public that they are a serious political force .
That man is poison ,and should not even be leading a dog on a short lead , let alone the countries opposition . =;
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by tamada » December 14, 2019, 3:13 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 14, 2019, 2:45 pm
Drunk Monkey wrote:
December 14, 2019, 12:19 pm
6 or 7bweeks is a long time in politics n ms Sturgeon may have a trick up.her sleeve ..the Scotts could leave with the uk in January and rejoin when they vote for independance .
That is an impossible idea as any dissolution of the union will require parliament to approve it.

Scotland can’t unilaterally quit, and certainly not without a Scottish referendum.

Neither rejoining the UK if they leave or EU after they leave as part of the UK in Brexit is automatic
I reckon DM economy of words means the Scots could leave the EU as part of the UK in January and apply to rejoin the EU after they get the independence referendum that confirms their wish to leave the Union.

I think that the SNP should focus on two points:

1 ) The exact and precise wording of the referendums leave question, and
2 ) The fine print regarding voter turnout as well as the more obvious numbers for and against.

The 2014 referendum was a dog's dinner wrought of Alec Salmond's strange combination of haste, bad planning, lack of a meaningful discourse with the electorate and inattention to detail. I reckon he was already more wrapped up in the hubris than the reality. After much vacillation, he allowed Westminster to replace the obvious "Should Scotland leave the Union?" with the much more nebulous and less ball-grabbing "Should Scotland be an independent country?" The subtle nuance of breaking something tangible and important that actually exists was lost when it was replaced by something suggesting a fanciful whim, a rather cynical ploy by some Cameron government adviser no doubt.

The 1979 referendum vote when compared with the Brexit vote, was as solid a 'Leave' vote as one could get. Until the Labour government pointed out the fact that voter turnout was insufficient to make it valid.

"An amendment to the Act stipulated that it would be repealed if less than 40% of the total electorate voted "Yes" in the referendum. The result was that 51.6% supported the proposal, but with a turnout of 64%, this represented only 32.9% of the registered electorate."

That was primarily the fault of a neophyte SNP and the collusion of Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives. However, after the SNP subsequently withdrew their support of Labour in the Commons, Jim Callaghan's Labour Party was kicked into touch a few short weeks later.

As suggested earlier, despite no longer needing the crutch of parliamentary support from minor parties, maybe Johnson shouldn't bet too hard against Sturgeon.
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by Drunk Monkey » December 14, 2019, 3:29 pm

tamada wrote:
December 14, 2019, 3:13 pm
sometimewoodworker wrote:
December 14, 2019, 2:45 pm
Drunk Monkey wrote:
December 14, 2019, 12:19 pm
6 or 7bweeks is a long time in politics n ms Sturgeon may have a trick up.her sleeve ..the Scotts could leave with the uk in January and rejoin when they vote for independance .
That is an impossible idea as any dissolution of the union will require parliament to approve it.

Scotland can’t unilaterally quit, and certainly not without a Scottish referendum.

Neither rejoining the UK if they leave or EU after they leave as part of the UK in Brexit is automatic
I reckon DM economy of words means the Scots could leave the EU as part of the UK in January and apply to rejoin the EU after they get the independence referendum that confirms their wish to leave the Union.

I think that the SNP should focus on two points:

1 ) The exact and precise wording of the referendums leave question, and
2 ) The fine print regarding voter turnout as well as the more obvious numbers for and against.

The 2014 referendum was a dog's dinner wrought of Alec Salmond's strange combination of haste, bad planning, lack of a meaningful discourse with the electorate and inattention to detail. I reckon he was already more wrapped up in the hubris than the reality. After much vacillation, he allowed Westminster to replace the obvious "Should Scotland leave the Union?" with the much more nebulous and less ball-grabbing "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

The 1979 referendum vote when compared with the Brexit vote, was as solid a 'Leave' vote as one could get. Until the Labour government pointed out the fact that voter turnout was insufficient to make it valid.

"An amendment to the Act stipulated that it would be repealed if less than 40% of the total electorate voted "Yes" in the referendum. The result was that 51.6% supported the proposal, but with a turnout of 64%, this represented only 32.9% of the registered electorate."

That was primarily the fault of a neophyte SNP and the collusion of Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives. However, after the SNP subsequently withdrew their support of Labour in the Commons, Jim Callaghan's Labour Party was kicked into touch a few short weeks later.

As suggested earlier, despite no longer needing the crutch of parliamentary support from minor parties, maybe Johnson shouldn't bet too hard against Sturgeon.
Yes your first paragraph ..thats is what i meant ..
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by AlexO » December 14, 2019, 5:21 pm

Again we have the usual triumphing from Sturgeon shouting that she has a mandate from the Scottish people for INDY2. The wee shepherdess was voted for by slightly less than 1.25 million voters in Scotland from a voter base of 4.3 million. So effectively 3million + people did not vote for independence. This will be reflected if they ever have another referendum.
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by jackspratt » December 15, 2019, 9:44 am

AlexO wrote:
December 14, 2019, 5:21 pm
The wee shepherdess was voted for by slightly less than 1.25 million voters in Scotland from a voter base of 4.3 million. So effectively 3million + people did not vote for independence. This will be reflected if they ever have another referendum.
Applying that logic, 29 million of the 46 million registered voters in the UK (ie 63%) did not vote for Brexit in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_o ... referendum

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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by Wee Jimmy » December 15, 2019, 10:09 am

Got to agree with Jack. Not everyone in Scotland wants independence .... l and many others believe in keeping the union together. The poisoned dwarf is only after her own gains.



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Post by GT93 » December 15, 2019, 10:18 am

Johnson isn't well positioned to call anyone scruffy. :lol:

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Post by stattointhailand » December 15, 2019, 11:30 am

Trumps tweet to BOJO ...... congrats Bro, I hear Vlad offered you the same deal as he give to me, "Make Britain great again" and a nice new wall on Scotlands Southern border (which Sturgeon will pay for). Merry Holiday and hope you can join Me and Vlad for the Holiday Party this year
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by tamada » December 15, 2019, 11:34 am

jackspratt wrote:
December 15, 2019, 9:44 am
AlexO wrote:
December 14, 2019, 5:21 pm
The wee shepherdess was voted for by slightly less than 1.25 million voters in Scotland from a voter base of 4.3 million. So effectively 3million + people did not vote for independence. This will be reflected if they ever have another referendum.
Applying that logic, 29 million of the 46 million registered voters in the UK (ie 63%) did not vote for Brexit in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_o ... referendum
Ah yes, the repeatedly flawed statistical assumption, bolstered by the non-statistical term "effectively", that just as everyone that didn't vote Conservative is assumed to be a Remainer, then everyone that didn't vote SNP is assumed to be against Scottish Independence.
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by tamada » December 15, 2019, 11:47 am

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Got to agree with Jack. Not everyone in Scotland wants independence .... l and many others believe in keeping the union together. The poisoned dwarf is only after her own gains..
In the recent UK election, it is reported that there was a significant uptake of younger members to the Labour Party during the campaign that was fueled by embracing a redundant old septuagenarian's vision of socialist nirvana captured in a manifesto that older people, including fellow Labour Party members, mostly ignored.

Beyond the after-the-fact assertions that younger people were far better educated and thus more clever, in the 2016 Brexit vote, much was made of the newer, younger Remainer being denied their future by a dumb, recalcitrant and somewhat irrelevant older generation.

Rather than their political affiliations, I think it will be interesting to see the simple age demographics of those Scots that consider the Union is beyond it sell-by-date versus that of the Unionists. Keep in mind that over in Northern Ireland that has no functioning parliament at all, the vote swing was distinctly away from their Unionists.

Put it this way, if I am on the wrong side of 60, in the golden twilight years of my service on Earth and self-parked in a parochial tropical backwater far from home, how can I deny the rights of the bright young 20-something who, beyond any doubt whatsoever, will face far more social, political and environmental change and upheaval in their lifetime than I ever had to confront in mine?

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Post by stattointhailand » December 15, 2019, 1:32 pm

The H i g n f y teams take on the election (13/12/19)

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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by Wee Jimmy » December 15, 2019, 2:07 pm

tamada wrote:
December 15, 2019, 11:47 am
Wee Jimmy wrote:
December 15, 2019, 10:09 am
Got to agree with Jack. Not everyone in Scotland wants independence .... l and many others believe in keeping the union together. The poisoned dwarf is only after her own gains..
In the recent UK election, it is reported that there was a significant uptake of younger members to the Labour Party during the campaign that was fueled by embracing a redundant old septuagenarian's vision of socialist nirvana captured in a manifesto that older people, including fellow Labour Party members, mostly ignored.

Beyond the after-the-fact assertions that younger people were far better educated and thus more clever, in the 2016 Brexit vote, much was made of the newer, younger Remainer being denied their future by a dumb, recalcitrant and somewhat irrelevant older generation.

Rather than their political affiliations, I think it will be interesting to see the simple age demographics of those Scots that consider the Union is beyond it sell-by-date versus that of the Unionists. Keep in mind that over in Northern Ireland that has no functioning parliament at all, the vote swing was distinctly away from their Unionists.

Put it this way, if I am on the wrong side of 60, in the golden twilight years of my service on Earth and self-parked in a parochial tropical backwater far from home, how can I deny the rights of the bright young 20-something who, beyond any doubt whatsoever, will face far more social, political and environmental change and upheaval in their lifetime than I ever had to confront in mine?
The most of them will be muslims voting to bring more of their families into Scotland. One of the main objectives of Brexit was to control our borders. Having just returned from a work stint in Scotland and seen the amount of immigrants wandering the streets l cant see why Scotland would want to welcome more immigrants.
I also think Sturgeon is in for a shock if there's another referendum!!!!

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Post by Drunk Monkey » December 15, 2019, 2:42 pm

Interesting to see wee jimmy comments ..

Agree Sturgeon is a power freak n will.stop.at nothing to get her freeedom.as Braveheart screamed .

I was of the opinion most Scots now wanted independance with many changing there minds since the last vote ..and also Brecit etc .... but maybe not so

Hope if yhere is another vote Ms Sturheon gets a sho k


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Post by tamada » December 15, 2019, 3:08 pm

Wee Jimmy wrote:
December 15, 2019, 2:07 pm
The most of them will be muslims voting to bring more of their families into Scotland. One of the main objectives of Brexit was to control our borders. Having just returned from a work stint in Scotland and seen the amount of immigrants wandering the streets l cant see why Scotland would want to welcome more immigrants.
I also think Sturgeon is in for a shock if there's another referendum!!!!
I guess one does need to make some allowances for the dwindling minority obsessed with narrow-minded religious bigotry and racial hatred. After all, it has been part and parcel of Scots history probably since before Coinneach mac Ailpein. Even my late dad hated niggers and I think he only ever met one!

The myth of any continuing EU membership enabling the flood of political refugees, economic refugees and erstwhile terrorists into the UK has been disproved already. Maybe the significance of the huge refugee camp at Sangatte outside the port of Calais wasn't fully explained to you so here we go. Sangatte existed because refugees from outside the EU did not have, never did have and probably never will have legal, free, untrammeled and unregulated access to the UK. In more recent news, Vietnamese migrants were found dead inside a reefer van inside an English port. A few weeks later, another reefer full en route to the UK was detected offshore Holland and the ferry returned to port. However, I appreciate that you may also have disregarded these events of people trafficking as irrelevant because the victims don't fit your narrative that most illegals are Muslims that apart from 'wandering in the streets' do nothing much else.

These very same border control issues were the cornerstone of both Farage's UKIP and alter-ego BREXIT party manifestos. To paraphrase the late Sir Bruce Joseph Forsyth-Johnson CBE, "Good game! Good game! Didn't he do well?!"
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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by tamada » December 15, 2019, 3:21 pm

Drunk Monkey wrote:
December 15, 2019, 2:42 pm
Interesting to see wee jimmy comments ..

Agree Sturgeon is a power freak n will.stop.at nothing to get her freeedom.as Braveheart screamed .

I was of the opinion most Scots now wanted independance with many changing there minds since the last vote ..and also Brecit etc .... but maybe not so

Hope if yhere is another vote Ms Sturheon gets a sho k


Dm.
It gets back to the simple fact that if Boris Johnson can claim the election result, ie. a huge vote swing to the Conservatives = a mandate to leave the UE then Nicola Sturgeon has every right to claim the same election result, ie. a huge vote swing to the SNP = a mandate to get another Scottish Independence Referendum.

In the meantime, if we can try and get beyond petty name calling and trivializing of the lives and personalities of the key individuals, I will try and stop calling Boris Johnson for the glib-mouthed, deceitful, flip-flopping, self-entitled pig in a hay bale that he is instead of this faux, grandiloquent everyone's everyman 'One Nation' statesman that his spin doctors portray him to be.

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Re: The U.K.'s Christmas Election

Post by Sateeb » December 15, 2019, 6:56 pm

jackspratt wrote:
December 15, 2019, 9:44 am
Applying that logic, 29 million of the 46 million registered voters in the UK (ie 63%) did not vote for Brexit in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_o ... referendum
So they voted to remain? :-k

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