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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 12:47 pm

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September 12, 2019, 9:01 am
But that's not really fair, is it? I recall a promise to build a wall along the southern U.S. border and have Mexico pay for it. The person who made that promise didn't have the power to do it, either. It's a campaign thing.
First of all, I didn't realize "fair" was involved in Democrat political circles.

Second, just relaying what the articles were stating. See the quotes contained within the post.

Third, I would have thought Lizzie could pull that off considering what Bayrack did unilaterally.

Fourth, I think that "Mexico paying for the wall" thing has been brought up at least 2 dozen times already in the forum. I don't think it's going to cost Trump any votes. Most people are surprised that he has found legal ways to build the wall without any extra money appropriated. That might very well get him more votes.

Let me make it at least 25 times it's been said: Trump promised that Mexico would pay for the wall. There, now I've said it too.

Fifth, Lizzie is playing with the economy and the markets and jobs and going against science and Bayrack's EPA if she makes good on her fracking promise. That's going to cost her LOTS of votes.

Finally, sixth and last: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." - Bayrack's Lie of the Year (the winning entry)

Now, as the Head Cheerleader would say when he scurries away from his hypocrisy or copy & paste mishaps: "aint interested in the past Should be focused on whats coming at ya." That guy has a way with words, doesn't he? Not.
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 12:55 pm

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Another media smear day in the life of having Trump as a last name.

McKay Coppins, a staff writer for The Atlantic, wrote an article about Ivanka Trump using more than 2 DOZEN singular anonymous sources (or worse).

• "former aide"
• “former White House official”
• “people close to the candidate”
• “people close to the family”

Not one single named source.

It's a regular occurrence for tripe like this, masquerading as journalism, to be acceptable because anything goes to GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP.

In the words of the Head Cheerleader: "Well its doesnt matter if it is truthful or not . . ."
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Doodoo » September 12, 2019, 1:11 pm

"And there you have the Head Cheerleader's benchmark. If that's his standard, then it pretty much eliminates any criticism he has of anyone else regarding truth -- because it doesn't matter."

Now why would you attack me as you usually do? In fact why would you respond at all? If the material I submit is so offensive why reply ?

I am not the one talking to the Iranians, I am not the one talking with whats his name in France, and I am certianly not the one with $15 Billion laying around. If its the truth, hold back for the news to grab on it, and if not so be it. Dont panic like you always do. Settle down and relax. Remember you can always make Udon Map a much better place without all this childish name calling

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 1:24 pm

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September 12, 2019, 12:36 pm
Here's an article that discusses one of the tech giants political policy: "How Google Manipulated Millions of Votes for Hillary in 2016

Mark Levin had a fascinating episode yesterday on his exceptional hour-long Fox News program, Life, Liberty & Levin, where his guest is an avowed leftist but an honest researcher — rara avis, right there — and this Dr. Robert Epstein spent the hour describing the constant but usually subtle manipulations indulged in by Google from 2016 to push millions of votes toward HRC, though people were scarcely aware their search results and the "casual" characters generated by search engine inputs tilted them repeatedly to voting for one party over the other (over 3 million votes, Dr. Robert Epstein says). This is being done all the time by Google.

I have suspected this all along, as I have been on focus groups funded by Google and so cognate social media — they know that people no longer trust them. That was the end of Google for me; it is Bing for me from now on. It has been easier to use Google, particularly at work, where I did massive data searches all day long, verifying facts and checking dates and so on. No longer.

Epstein (a strong Hillary-supporter, BTW) is frighteningly full of years of collected research and evidence on voting and election manipulations. It is a miracle — given the info he imparts, which is only part of the bigger picture — that anyone other than HRC could have won, against the strong efforts of the FBI and Justice Dept. to suppress support for anyone other than Mrs. Clinton.

Hand of G-d that she did not win. None of this would have been known had she won. We would have had everything, all the criminals, all the malfeasance, buried forever. No whisper would have emerged."
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... _milk.html
Here is Epstein's opening statement before the US Senate. Very compelling.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Udon Map » September 12, 2019, 1:31 pm

Lone Star wrote:
September 12, 2019, 12:47 pm
Udon Map wrote:
September 12, 2019, 9:01 am
But that's not really fair, is it? I recall a promise to build a wall along the southern U.S. border and have Mexico pay for it. The person who made that promise didn't have the power to do it, either. It's a campaign thing.
Second, just relaying what the articles were stating. See the quotes contained within the post.
Well, now, just a minute. Here's what you said:
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Warren announced a nationwide ban on fracking last week -- despite the fact that she wouldn't have the power to do it. But that's what Marxists do. That action would not only be a threat to national security, but it's not likely to help her garner any votes from Americans who believe in a strong economy and free enterprise. ...

Gramma Lizzie:
"On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands, and I will ban fracking—everywhere."
You didn't say anything like, "I've read some reports that say than Warren announced..." or "The media is reporting that Warren announced...." And you certainly didn't provide a citation to any source. As you say, "Not one single named source."

You simply said, "Warren announced...." And while all the other things you cited in your more recent post may be true, that's not what I was talking about.

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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 1:43 pm

Udon Map wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:31 pm
You didn't say anything like, "I've read some reports that say than Warren announced..." or "The media is reporting that Warren announced...." And you certainly didn't provide a citation to any source. As you say, "Not one single named source."

. . .
You managed to quote everything except the FIRST TWO SENTENCES. My emphasis added.
Well, Gramma Lizzie Warren is on the rise in the polls and the other socialists running for POTUS are tilting things further and further left. I've seen two articles in the last 24 hours that report a huge pushback against Warren and any of her other cohorts promoting socialist agendas.

One major concern regarding Warren centers around all of her proposed "bans" and "confiscations."

Warren announced a nationwide ban on fracking last week -- despite the fact that she wouldn't have the power to do it. But that's what Marxists do. That action would not only be a threat to national security, but it's not likely to help her garner any votes from Americans who believe in a strong economy and free enterprise.
But if you want to discount that and refuse to accept it, that's okay.
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 1:46 pm

Udon Map wrote:
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. . .
And while all the other things you cited in your more recent post may be true, that's not what I was talking about.
And I wasn't talking about Trump and his wall. :)
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Udon Map » September 12, 2019, 1:52 pm

Lone Star wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:46 pm
Udon Map wrote:
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. . .
And while all the other things you cited in your more recent post may be true, that's not what I was talking about.
And I wasn't talking about Trump and his wall. :)
Correct. You cited an example of Warren making a commitment that she's not capable of keeping. I cited Trump doing the same thing.

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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 1:55 pm

Udon Map wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:52 pm
Correct. You cited an example of Warren making a commitment that she's not capable of keeping. I cited Trump doing the same thing.
I didn't say she was incapable of keeping that commitment.

Just because a power isn't enumerated doesn't mean that it can't be done. Many examples out there.
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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Udon Map » September 12, 2019, 1:59 pm

Lone Star wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:55 pm
Udon Map wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:52 pm
Correct. You cited an example of Warren making a commitment that she's not capable of keeping. I cited Trump doing the same thing.
I didn't say she was incapable of keeping that commitment.
Of course you did. You attach a different meaning to your statement?
Warren announced a nationwide ban on fracking last week -- despite the fact that she wouldn't have the power to do it.
Now you're just playing at semantics. Feel free. I'm happy to discuss the substantive issues here any time, as you know. But when we get down to word games, I lose interest quickly. You said what you said.

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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 2:02 pm

Udon Map wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:59 pm
Lone Star wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:55 pm
Udon Map wrote:
September 12, 2019, 1:52 pm
Correct. You cited an example of Warren making a commitment that she's not capable of keeping. I cited Trump doing the same thing.
I didn't say she was incapable of keeping that commitment.
Of course you did. You attach a different meaning to your statement?
Warren announced a nationwide ban on fracking last week -- despite the fact that she wouldn't have the power to do it.
Just because a power isn't enumerated doesn't mean that it can't be done. Many examples out there.

Not having the power and being incapable are two different things when it comes to politics and government. Being incapable only happens when the court says NO.

Look at Bayrack. He did some things that he didn't have the power to do -- and he even admitted it and did them anyway. He only became incapable AFTER the courts acted.
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Post by Udon Map » September 12, 2019, 2:06 pm

Lone Star wrote:
September 12, 2019, 2:02 pm
Just because a power isn't enumerated doesn't mean that it can't be done. Many examples out there.

Not having the power and being incapable are two different things when it comes to politics and government. Being incapable only happens when the court says NO.
In which case, there was no logical reason for you to have made the statement initially. You win, I'm out of this semantics discussion.

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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 2:36 pm

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Trump picks up another endorsement. This time it's the International Union of Police Associations.

Sam Cabral, IUPA President, not only endorsed Trump, but elaborated on what he has done for law enforcement in less than three years in office. Cabral not only said that Trump has done more in two and a half years for law enforcement than Obama did in eight years; but Cabral also said that Trump "has even undone some of the harmful acts of his predecessor."

Cabral also referenced Trump's Executive Orders to make communities safer, equip police with necessary equipment and make military equipment available, improving the Mental Health and Wellness Act, and more federal funds at the local level to hire more law enforcement officers.

Cabral stated that the US crime rate -- nationwide -- has decreased since Trump's election. This despite the daily reports of violence in "Democratic strongholds of Baltimore as well as Chicago.”

Cabral:
“Every top Democrat currently running for this office has vilified the police and made criminals out to be victims. They seem to take any union’s support for granted. Many of them still refer to the tragedy in Ferguson as a murder, despite the conclusions of every investigative inquiry to the contrary. While his candor ruffles the feathers of the left, I find it honest and refreshing. He stands with America’s law enforcement officer and we will continue to stand with him.”
Brad Parscale, Trump Campaign Manager:
“Too often today, law enforcement officers are treated as scapegoats, when in fact their jobs are incredibly difficult, dangerous, and depend on life-or-death, split-second decision-making. This union endorsement of President Trump means a great deal, because not only does the president stand for working people, he also stands for law enforcement."
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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 2:56 pm

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I've posted this before in a similar way, but I'll be more emphatic this time.

I don't care if 1,000 people come and go in the Trump administration as long as the job gets done. Trump isn't from the establishment political class. He doesn't shuffle or promote incompetence or anyone who falls out of favor. Everyone serves in the administration at the pleasure of the president. That's how it has always worked.

Anyone clutching their pearls over this, oh well. Be shocked.

As for Bolton's exit, that's how it is going West. Bolton is still better than McMaster.

NOTE to Cheerleaders: bookmark this post so you don't get too giddy after the next one is jettisoned.
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Post by jackspratt » September 12, 2019, 4:10 pm

TJ wrote:
September 12, 2019, 12:36 pm
Here's an article that discusses one of the tech giants political policy: "How Google Manipulated Millions of Votes for Hillary in 2016

Mark Levin had a fascinating episode yesterday on his exceptional hour-long Fox News program, Life, Liberty & Levin, where his guest is an avowed leftist but an honest researcher — rara avis, right there — and this Dr. Robert Epstein spent the hour describing the constant but usually subtle manipulations indulged in by Google from 2016 to push millions of votes toward HRC, though people were scarcely aware their search results and the "casual" characters generated by search engine inputs tilted them repeatedly to voting for one party over the other (over 3 million votes, Dr. Robert Epstein says). This is being done all the time by Google.........

Epstein has been thoroughly debunked by his peers, and his one man war on Google has history going back to 2012.

A different look at his "research".

https://psychcentral.com/blog/dr-epstei ... h-results/

https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/ro ... trump.html
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Post by Doodoo » September 12, 2019, 4:27 pm

"I've posted this before in a similar way, but I'll be more emphatic this time.

I don't care if 1,000 people come and go in the Trump administration as long as the job gets done. Trump isn't from the establishment political class. He doesn't shuffle or promote incompetence or anyone who falls out of favor. Everyone serves in the administration at the pleasure of the president. That's how it has always worked.o be one

Anyone clutching their pearls over this, oh well. Be shocked.

As for Bolton's exit, that's how it is going West. Bolton is still better than McMaster.

NOTE to Cheerleaders: bookmark this post so you don't get too giddy after the next one is jettisoned."

And your point is? Why would a Cheerleader be concerned who gets thrown out of Donny's Muppet Show. The Team shows weakness everytime he jettisons another one. The Leader of the Team shows weakness and one example is his lack of trust of his Serfs ( the lowest level in the fudel system)

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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 4:50 pm

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Democrat House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer gets blasted by his own FOR TELLING THE TRUTH.

When Hoyer responded to reporters that an impeachment inquiry was NOT underway, there was a firestorm of Leftist criticism against Hoyer. He was telling the truth. In order for an impeachment inquiry to be underway, there must be a full vote of the House in favor of the inquiry.

BUT, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler and other Democrats have been purposely misinforming the public in the media that their "investigation" is an impeachment inquiry. IT IS NOT.

The hilarity of it all is that Dem members of the House keep calling for a vote on impeachment. Pelosi won't call the vote again. So what is it? Investigation or Inquiry? An inquiry doesn't happen without a full majority vote of the House. Steny Hoyer was truthful. Not happening.

The last full House vote tabled the impeachment issue 332 to 95.

You can't be truthful and be a Democrat; and you can't be a Democrat without being a hypocrite.
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Post by stattointhailand » September 12, 2019, 5:25 pm

Dont be such a sceptical old Grumpy, we already know for a FACT that on 7/11 POTUS Trump saw people leap to their death (from his window just over 4 miles away), he was also there doing his little bit clearing the rubble even though he and everyone else was in danger from falling masonry etc' and we are told that he personally arranged for (at various times 100/200/250) people to help in the aftermath, even though nobody organising the rescue teams has any records or can remember them. Thats the problem these days with so much fake news nobody ever believes what you say anymore :-$

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Post by Lone Star » September 12, 2019, 9:11 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
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. . . he was also there doing his little bit clearing the rubble even though he and everyone else was in danger from falling masonry etc' and we are told that he personally arranged for (at various times 100/200/250) people to help in the aftermath, even though nobody organising the rescue teams has any records or can remember them. . .


NBC, no less.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by jackspratt » September 12, 2019, 9:34 pm

You be the judge.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... survivors/

Given the Bloated Orange Bullshiitters previous proven history, I know who I believe. :D

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