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Post by jackspratt » November 3, 2023, 7:03 pm

tamada wrote:
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Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?
Have you?
Yes, and it doesn't involve the term "exterminate".

Which term I find rather disturbing, given its historical context in this situation.

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Post by AlexO » November 3, 2023, 7:03 pm

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Who you or your post? The post is still there.

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Post by jackspratt » November 3, 2023, 7:06 pm

Neither, Alex.

Nor is your post that I responded to, which seemed to have got lost in this thread. :lol:

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Post by AlexO » November 3, 2023, 7:32 pm

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Good to know you were referring to something specific. I placed the post in the thread it was supposed to be in. Never mind you are managing to keep your average post numbers up. Good boy.

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Post by jackspratt » November 3, 2023, 7:38 pm

Oh! ...... so you didn't originally post the below post in this thread, before having a lightbulb moment, and moving it to the appropriate thread?
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67238144
Seems like the 'Fascist' UK Government are not the only ones starting to take a stand against Illegal Invaders.
Germany (the least right-wing member of the EU) starting to object to other Nations not processing these invaders, just allowing them to pass through to the Countries with bigger pots of honey as far as the invaders are concerned.
Love the BBC's new terminology, no longer Refugee's, or desperate Migrants. Now they are 'Irregular Migrants', new WOKE term for Illegal Invaders.

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Post by tamada » November 3, 2023, 8:49 pm

jackspratt wrote:
November 3, 2023, 7:03 pm
tamada wrote:
November 3, 2023, 5:12 pm
jackspratt wrote:
November 3, 2023, 1:41 pm
Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?
Have you?
Yes, and it doesn't involve the term "exterminate".

Which term I find rather disturbing, given its historical context in this situation.
Equally disturbing was the guy on Fox News suggesting gassing Hamas in their tunnels.

Anyway, needs must. Hamas aren't a race or ethnicity so park any notion of genocide. Kill 'em all and let (their) God sort 'em out.
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Post by Kenr6583 » November 3, 2023, 9:50 pm

tamada wrote:
November 3, 2023, 8:49 pm
jackspratt wrote:
November 3, 2023, 7:03 pm
tamada wrote:
November 3, 2023, 5:12 pm
jackspratt wrote:
November 3, 2023, 1:41 pm
Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?
Have you?
Yes, and it doesn't involve the term "exterminate".

Which term I find rather disturbing, given its historical context in this situation.
Equally disturbing was the guy on Fox News suggesting gassing Hamas in their tunnels.

Anyway, needs must. Hamas aren't a race or ethnicity so park any notion of genocide. Kill 'em all and let (their) God sort 'em out.
They all worship the same God.

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Post by Whistler » November 3, 2023, 10:18 pm

tamada wrote:
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jackspratt wrote:
November 3, 2023, 10:54 am
So are you suggesting extermination (of Hamas), followed by mass sterilization (of Gazan and Left Bank women of child bearing age) - or what is left of them when the current slaughter has inevitably ended?

Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?
No need for all that talk about sterilisation and diplomacy.

Just exterminate Hamas (and the Iranian mullahs). Trump had the right idea when he sanctioned taking out that Iranian Quds Commander. Biden's disregard of the Abrahams Accord just because it came from the Trump administration with the reality of a Saudi-Israeli rapprochement is what has inspired Hamas's madness.
How do you propose exterminating Hamas and Iranian mullahs? Multiple military incursions into Gaza and Iran?

Just what we need, another two US military disasters modelled on the Iraq war.

As for the Abrahams Accord, it was signed when Obama was President in 2015, not a Trump initiative at all. The agreement is quite complex, and the name controversial. Under Biden, other countries have come on board including Lebanon and Morocco. The Accord has not been ignored but after the Hamas attack is under a lot of pressure.

Perhaps you can explain how Biden has ignored the Accord, as the USA is not a signatory to any of the bilateral agreements lumped under that name.
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Post by trekkertony » November 4, 2023, 2:21 am

The attached link well worth a read.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/bre ... m-accords/

The content disputes Whistler’s claim that President Obama was the author of the Abraham Accord.
The writer, Bret-Stephens who is an avowed anti Trumpist, concedes that the Trump administration were successful in getting the accord across the line.

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trekkertony wrote:
November 4, 2023, 2:21 am
The attached link well worth a read.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/bre ... m-accords/

The content disputes Whistler’s claim that President Obama was the author of the Abraham Accord.
The writer, Bret-Stephens who is an avowed anti Trumpist, concedes that the Trump administration were successful in getting the accord across the line.
The Abraham Accord was signed 15th September 2015, Trump assumed the Presidency January 20 2017, 16 months AFTER the Accord was signed.

Numerous bipartisan agreements based on the Accord have been signed since that date, the first of these in 2020, others have been completed under both Trump and Biden.

Put away you MAGA hat Tony, you are 100% wrong, it was in place way before your hero hit the White House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/asses ... -years-on/
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Post by noosard » November 4, 2023, 5:48 am

The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, t
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords

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The Abraham Accords were a joke. It was the final step in Kushner getting his $2 billion “investment” from Saudi Arabia.

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Post by Khun Paul » November 4, 2023, 7:15 am

In the current situation where the leader of one groupd has declared p[ublically that it is the intention to WIPE OUT THE OTHER MGROUPD NO Matter what it takes, even though the leadership resides in another country living it up while the residents of one particualr place die like flies because this group ( HAMAS ) uitilise its civilian population of GAZA as shields while living underground, denying those smae tunnels asprotection for its civilians. Then ypou can see any agreement will; be ignored and will never work.
I agree the Usraeli reaction has been brutal and swift and is going on far too long, but in light of the aforementioned threat, do you deny them the right to ensure Israels survival.

THERE WILL BE NO EASY answer, never was but sadly the other group those that represent the rest of Palestine are also quiet and are willing to work for a peaceful solution without removing Israelk from the face of the earth although they insist on a self governing Palestine`.

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Post by trekkertony » November 4, 2023, 7:24 am

Based on your inaccurate response whistler, Anton J Blinken must not privy to the information you hold as true.

https://il.usembassy.gov/second-anniver ... m-accords/

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Post by tamada » November 4, 2023, 7:41 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
November 4, 2023, 6:56 am
The Abraham Accords were a joke. It was the final step in Kushner getting his $2 billion “investment” from Saudi Arabia.
The Trump peace plan, officially titled "Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

Now that was a joke but it wasn't the Abraham Accords.
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Post by Kenr6583 » November 4, 2023, 8:34 am

tamada wrote:
November 4, 2023, 7:41 am
Kenr6583 wrote:
November 4, 2023, 6:56 am
The Abraham Accords were a joke. It was the final step in Kushner getting his $2 billion “investment” from Saudi Arabia.
The Trump peace plan, officially titled "Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

Now that was a joke but it wasn't the Abraham Accords.
The Abraham Accords came after this, thus being the final joke and the final step in Kushner securing a $2 billion “investment” from the Saudi Prince.

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Post by Whistler » November 4, 2023, 8:37 am

trekkertony wrote:
November 4, 2023, 7:24 am
Based on your inaccurate response whistler, Anton J Blinken must not privy to the information you hold as true.

https://il.usembassy.gov/second-anniver ... m-accords/
Silly boy, Tony, or are you being deliberatly obtuse. the Abraham Accord was the originating agreement, note the singular word 'Accord'. This was signed in 2015.

Subsequent 'Accords', plural were signed at various dates commencing 2020. My response was 100% accurate as I correctly explained this. Noosard also accurately nominated the date.

Don't worry, you need to have a modicum of intelligence to understand this so understandable it was a bit difficult for you.
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Post by trekkertony » November 4, 2023, 8:59 am

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the individual documents, see Israel–United Arab Emirates normalization agreement, Bahrain–Israel normalization agreement, Israel–Sudan normalization agreement, and Israel–Morocco normalization agreement.
Abraham Accords

Representatives (left-to-right):
Bahraini foreign minister Abdullatif bin Rashid Al-ZayaniIsraeli prime minister Benjamin NetanyahuAmerican president Donald TrumpEmirati foreign minister Abdullah bin Zayed Al-Nahyan
Type Normalization treaty
Context Arab–Israeli conflict
Signed September 15, 2020
Location Washington, D.C., United States
Negotiators United States
Signatories
Bahrain
Israel
Morocco
Sudan
United Arab Emirates
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EnglishArabicHebrew
The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020.[1][2] Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020. On September 15, 2020, the official signing ceremony for the first iteration of the Abraham Accords was hosted by the Trump administration at the White House.[3] As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations.

Whistler, you are wrong, see the above from the link supplied by Doodoo, you were wrong about the Voice and wrong about the M1, however your heightened sense of entitlement prevents you from acknowledging your errors. You are such a fatuous individual l will leave it to others to engage with you.

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Post by Whistler » November 4, 2023, 9:39 am

Abraham Accords Tony, not the originating Abraham Accord. See references by both myself and noosard. Doodoo posted nothing about the originating Accord only about the subsequent Accords.

As for the Voice, I accurately predicted that the vote would fail.

Still smarting about the M1. You stated you were driving from Queensland to places South on the M1. I corrected you as the M1 run from Brisbane to Tweed Heads South and ends at Minjugbul Drive (spelling). The Pacific Hwy run from Tweed Heads South to a point West of Newcastle, it is renamed the M1 at that point and rejoins the Pacific Highway at Wahroongah in Sydney's North.

You are wrong on all three counts, congratulations, three times wrong in a single post.

The forum history is all there for you to reference, if you want to refute anything I posted, show those posts.
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