Afghanistan

[parrot]

The sooner we are out and finished, the sooner the various factions will start killing each other. Many of the various tribes hate each other as it has always been.

And a haven for terrists to train , plan n carrybout terror attacks throughout the world .

Dm .

Aaaand, the options are?

[Giggle]

Aaaand, the options are?

Maybe we should apologize and offer free hugs and planeloads of cash. Offer up our wives and mothers and children (and barnyard animals). Use summa dat sof' OBammy power that's worked so well with Iran.

[Earnest]

Good question, what's the international strategy going forward?

[Giggle]

Johnson hasn't asked yet. Biden's taking his nap.

[FrazeeDK]

options? I don't think going back and and attempting to reoccupy bases in Afghanistan to have a "residual" counter-terrorism force are practical in any sense at all. Not with the Taliban in power. Perhaps in Uzbekistan or Tajikistan a forward base with enough reach to go out and inflict serious pain on the bad guys if necessary. But, I don't see Afghanistan as any more a "haven" for terrorists plotting to attack infidels than I do Yemen, Somalia, Nigeria and indeed the IRGC/Al Quds in Iran. So what are the options to counter the various AQ/ISIS/Jihadist groups around the planet? Occupy? Drone them? Coalitions against them? It is global wack-a-mole, forever.

[Doodoo]

Forget Uzbekistan
The Americans were at a base located near Karshi and told to leave within 6 months in 2005
Karshi Khanabad (K-2) Air Base
Karshi-Khanabad Air Base, also known as K-2, or Camp Stronghold Freedom, was a Soviet-era air base used by U.S. Army, Air Force, and Marine forces for support missions into Afghanistan. The base was one square mile in southeastern Uzbekistan, near the border of Tajikistan.

[Earnest]

Why were they told to leave?

[Doodoo]

Why Ernie? They kept on wearing their hats to diner

[Earnest]

What was the real reason?

[tamada]

Terrorism by Muslim extremists is pretty much like the pandemic in that it's already out of the bottle. The protagonists are no longer training in camps and hiding in caves in the middle east, they are now next door and working from home.

Dubya's serial 'crusades' were still based on taking the battle to where the enemy lived, the middle east. Even these original religious wars to secure and protect the 'Holy Land' were ultimately an expensive disaster. The 21st century version is also an unmitigated disaster because the Muslim diaspora, including the minority that believes in killing all Infidels, are in just about every western country already. You can bomb the piss out of any Muslim country you can't occupy or beat into submission, then pave it over and make it into the world's biggest parking lot if it makes you feel good. You can then stand on the deck of a US aircraft carrier off the California coast in a fight jacket and say "Mission Accomplished" but it won't stop the extremists, many of whom weren't born in the middle east let alone lived or even visited there.

As barbaric and unacceptable as Taliban rule may be, just let them get on with it instead of paying puppet presidents and fake armies a k ings ransom just to make it look like freedom and democracy, all while being propped up by foreign armies.

Saying the US capitulation in Afghanistan is the fault of any particular US president is as dumb as it gets.

[tamada]

What was the real reason?

On July 29, 2005, amid strained relations caused by the May 2005 unrest in Uzbekistan, the United States was told to vacate the base within six months. It was vacated by the United States in November 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karshi-Khanabad_Air_Base

[Earnest]

Thanks.

[papafarang]

All a joke really , most terrorist attacks have been home grown . the chances of being involved with a terror attack are 0.01%, most are far right attacks too. In the UK you have a much higher chance of being kicked to death by a skinhead or a British born Muslim stabbing you . the Taliban are the least of your worries, but its been a great distraction hasn't it. 20 years of gas lighting . now all laid bare as a farce, carry on up the Khyber For the west , misery and war for the Afghans.
Who will be next , I think Cuba should be our next mess ,going to need another .

[the-monk]

Papafarang <<,going to need another . >> 100 % right , the USA needs an enemy real or imaginary to keep the Military Industrial Complex happy., Don t you despair ... The White supremacists racists will come up new lies..

[Giggle]

Papafarang <<,going to need another . >> 100 % right , the USA needs an enemy real or imaginary to keep the Military Industrial Complex happy., Don t you despair ... The White supremacists racists will come up new lies..

Hahaha. Speaking of fantastical, imaginary boogie men ...

[papafarang]

Papafarang <<,going to need another . >> 100 % right , the USA needs an enemy real or imaginary to keep the Military Industrial Complex happy., Don t you despair ... The White supremacists racists will come up new lies..

Hard one to call , Cuba could end up a guerrilla war ,too risky to try to put troops in Taiwan , north Korea...naa that nutter would nuke. Iran maybe but would be costly in oil and trade. Many places in Africa ,but then again another continent were Brits,Belgium ,France found out long term not viable.

[Giggle]

Papafarang <<,going to need another . >> 100 % right , the USA needs an enemy real or imaginary to keep the Military Industrial Complex happy., Don t you despair ... The White supremacists racists will come up new lies..

White supremacists? Good one. As fictitious and fanciful as any other boogeyman.

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[jackspratt]

^ South America?

Been a while since the US has fomented a coup, or tossed out a democratically elected leader south of the border.

But that may raise strong objections from MLB.

^ Pacific Islands?

Probably not - insufficient to keep the bloated Industrial Military complex well fed.

[papafarang]

^ South America?

Been a while since the US has fomented a coup, or tossed out a democratically elected leader south of the border.

But that may raise strong objections from MLB.

^ Pacific Islands?

Probably not - insufficient to keep the bloated Industrial Military complex well fed.

Venezuela , i forgot about them. but it must be done properly . get in, murder a few hard core socialists and get out. oh and destroy a lot of infrastructure. mind you that would bring more refugees something the usa is keen to avoid.

[Earnest]

May I recommend another rather good docu on BBC iPlayer, it's called Afghanistan: The Great Game - A Personal View by Rory Stewart. It was released in 2012 but the Beeb have just re-released it. It's good in that it places context in relation to British involvement in 19th century Afghanistan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/ ... ry-stewart