Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

[vincemunday]

This could be huge, if the emails from her private email server were being intercepted as this Chinese company claims, the accusations are perfectly plausible and she has a lot to answer for.

https://www.infowars.com/were-18-to-20- ... -by-china/

[joudon]

To quote an earlier reply that suggested we only talk about Trumps alleged misdemeanors,
I have also been aware of this allegation re the Chinese and the deaths of CIA operatives due to Clintons hacked mails, and I believe it is perfectly right to highlight wrong doing by the Clinton clan as well as the many failures of EX potus Mohammed Obama.

[vincemunday]

This is nothing to do with POTUS, this is about HC using her private email server and the lives it may of cost, DT was still shagging porn stars when this happened.

[Lone Star]

Believe it or not, there is a bigger story than HRC's emails.

Check out the number of high-ranking members of the FBI and DOJ who have been demoted, resigned, fired and/or under criminal investigation for their roles in the counter-intelligence investigation into the Trump/Russia foolishness. And how were they identified, targeted and had action taken against them? Various Inspector General reports that are still ongoing.

These guys were the ones who ignored HRC and wanted her to win, and jumped on Trump because they wanted him to lose. How do we know? Their emails and text messages revealed much of it. They not only discussed stopping Trump from winning, but if he DID win, they had an "insurance policy" (their words) to take him down in office.

Presently, it is looking more and more like circular evidence was planted by FBI/DOJ operatives with two Trump surrogates -- long down the food chain of the campaign. Those two surrogates repeated the planted info to other FBI/DOJ operatives, who reported it to FBI/DOJ employees. They then used the phony dossier (provided by Steele and Fusion GPS and paid for by Hillary and the DNC) and the repeating of the planted info to get the FISA warrants to begin their counter intelligence investigation.

In other words, make up a phony story. Tell it to someone who will repeat it. Then use the repeating of it to try to justify the truthfulness of the phony story and get warrants and open an investigation. That's apparently what has happened here.

The other strange characteristic of all of this is that it is completely out of the ordinary for the highest levels of the DOJ and FBI to be "working a case." Cases are almost always done in the various field offices and the top echelon of those two agencies are only supervisors. These actors were ACTIVE in MOST of it.

Apparently, the FISA applications for the wiretapping and surveillance of American citizens did NOT include the sources of the dossier and who paid for it, which is usually required when approaching judges for authority that is outside the scope of the Constitution. The judges who signed off on those FISA warrants can't be happy.

Stay tuned. This is ongoing.

[glalt]

Considering all the benefits the justice department would get from president Hillary, they bet the bank on the certainty of her being elected. Then the sky fell and things turned to ---- for them. Now they are between a rock and a hard place. They had to go on the attack to try to get rid of Trump.

[vincemunday]

You couldn't make this up, it's all getting very interesting, it's pretty common knowledge that HC has got away with an awful lot so far and it'll be good to see her disgraced and shown up for the crook she is. On twitter it's amazing how many people are siding with POTUS, even his indiscretions don't seem to have worked against him with some seeing him as bit of a stud! I wonder who will be directing the film?

Sorry Movie.... lol

[Lone Star]

The FBI guy who was in charge of and deep-sixed the Clinton email investigation is the same guy who initiated and was in charge of starting the Trump/Russia foolishness. He's on record of loving HRC and hating Trump through his emails and text messages. He's the guy who first mentioned "the insurance policy" if Trump won.

Peter Strzok.

We've also learned in recent days that the 600,000-plus HRC emails discovered on Anthony Weiner's laptop were not examined. Those checking out the emails had a pizza night and only looked at a few thousand of them. When more classified info was found in those emails on someone's laptop with no clearance to view them, they were never referred to the intelligence community for damage assessments. Those submissions and damage assessments are required by law.

Comey was in a big hurry to exonerate HRC just before the election. Ssshhhhhh ...

[FrazeeDK]

The accusation that Chinese sources were swept up and some executed due to Clinton's e-mails is utterly preposterous. The Agency would never pass a source list to the State Department nor let it get out of a tightly compartmented group. The person who likely sold the names was Jerry Chun Shing Lee, a retired Agency officer who was living in Hong Kong and lured back to the States where he was arrested. Found in his possession were notebooks with lots of classified information to include lists of sources in China. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/us/p ... g-lee.html

[vincemunday]

Yes the FBI are vehemently refuting these claims but using a private email server was reckless and the possibility that her mail server was infected with malignant code isn't just a possibility it's extremely likely.

[Lone Star]

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The Agency would never pass a source list to the State Department nor let it get out of a tightly compartmented group.

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That makes perfect sense.

[Lone Star]

Yes the FBI are vehemently refuting these claims but using a private email server was reckless and the possibility that her mail server was infected with malignant code isn't just a possibility it's extremely likely.

Yep, but the Inspector General's reports are sugar free. Many are still on-going.

There is a paper trail that indicates that Hillary's exoneration was planned months before the investigation was even complete. Strzok is also the one who changed the wording of Comey's announcement from "grossly negligent," which is the specific wording of the statute that would have made HRC guilty of violating the Espionage Act, to the term "extremely careless."

Strzok also claims that he doesn't recall making the change -- that his computer must have done so. (Never heard that one before.)

It should be noted that Strzok was removed from Mueller's team of investigators on the Special Council BY MUELLER after his bias for HRC and bias against Trump was revealed.

Almost all of the people directly involved in these two investigations of HRC and Trump held or hold the top 4 offices within the DOJ and the FBI. VERY unusual and suspicious, but we're finding out why.

The names of Brennan (CIA) and Clapper (NSA) continue to come up also. Again, people at the highest levels of their agencies. It is rare for these agencies to share informants/undercover operatives/spies -- whatever you want to call them -- but it was done in the Trump/Russia foolishness.

There are also extremely strong connections between these five groups: the DNC, HRC, Fusion GPS and the FBI and DOJ. Members of all of those 5 groups had connections with Christopher Steele, the former UK spy, who conspired with Russians to create the phony dossier and who also admitted in a paper trail to bias against Trump.

If the DOJ and FBI were not slow-walking the release of documents that were requested by Congress, and which they are REQUIRED to produce, we would already be at the bottom of this swamp of sewerage.

[Lone Star]

Lots of stuff hitting the fan with the circular evidence.

On Friday, we find out from testimony from Bruce Ohr, that Andrew Weissmann, Mueller's top prosecutor on the Special Counsel and chief of the Criminal Fraud Division of the Department of Justice, knew everything about Steele's phony dossier on Trump and Russia, but used it anyway as a basis to open the investigation.

Who is Bruce Ohr?
- former #4 at DOJ former director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force
- Husband to Millie Ohr, employed by Fusion GPS, which was hired by Hillary and the DNC to dig up dirt on Trump
- Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele to create the unsubstantiated dossier on Trump that went through Fusion to the FBI and DOJ through Bruce Ohr, Millie's husband. Fusion also handed a copy to John McCain (in an effort to try to give it some credibility)
- John Brennan was made aware of Steele's dossier and is accused of being the one who leaked it to CNN

Ohr told Congress that he kept Weissmann in the loop during all the run-up to Strzok (FBI) starting the counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign. Strzok was also in charge of the Hillary Email investigation. Very unusual for one guy to be manipulating both of these high-profile cases from headquarters. Don't forget, Strzok was also on Mueller's Special Counsel and was fired by Mueller.

Ohr told Weissmann that NONE of the dossier was verifiable. That it should not be relied upon as factual. However, this collection of false accusations was given to FISA court judges on four separate occasions. The first time to obtain a warrant to tap a member of Trump's campaign, which has resulted in no evidence of anything from that Trump campaign member. Why? Because it was all circular phony evidence planted by deep state operatives. The other three times it was submitted to the FISA court to continue the investigation.

This revelation by Ohr, who was the go-between for the creation of this collection of false accusations from Steele, taints the entire Mueller Special Counsel. There are conflicts of interest throughout that includes friendships, biases, witnesses and actors who are involved as investigators, and lying to the FISA courts.

The scratch has gone much deeper. More to come.

[tamada]

This could be huge, if the emails from her private email server were being intercepted as this Chinese company claims, the accusations are perfectly plausible and she has a lot to answer for.

https://www.infowars.com/were-18-to-20- ... -by-china/

This could be huge, I mean bigley yuge!

Hold on a minute... Infowars? Seriously?

Let me get back to you on this.

[Lone Star]

. . .

Infowars? Seriously?

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I've never spent one second on anything reported by Infowars.

However, I've seen this Hillary email interception by the Chinese from several sources. But you're not going to see any of the complicit Praetorian Guard eneMedia reporting on much in the way of investigations that are backfiring all over Democrats and the Mueller Special Counsel. Why? Because they are involved in the hiding of factual information, spreading of unverified information by unknown sources, and leaking classified information.

The eneMedia has already had reporters implicated in serious ways by being in possession of classified unredacted documents, affairs with employees of the federal government providing information to them, federal agents accepting gifts and items of value, etc. All reported by the Inspector General to Congress. It's a matter of federal record now. The eneMedia was fully invested in a Hillary victory, and they were so sure that she would win that they took some very high legal risks. They knew when Hillary won, it would all be washed away. Except Hillary lost.

Andrew Weissmann, the attorney from the DOJ and on Mueller's team, was even at Hillary's Campaign Victory Party.

If this happened in reverse, you'd hear Democrats screaming to the heavens. Ssshhhhh.

If this all ever gets unpacked and unraveled, it'll be nuclear.

[papafarang]

"I've seen this Hillary email interception by the Chinese from several sources"
very true but where did the sources get this info . I doubt the CIA would admit they had spies in china , I also doubt china would admit they had spies running around china , the spies are all dead so it can't be them . several sources ? what the NYT,got it from the guardian , the guardian got it from reuters .

The Times, quoting 10 current and former American officials who spoke on condition of anonymity, described the intelligence breach as one of the worst in decades.

It said that even now intelligence officials are unsure whether the US was betrayed by a mole within the CIA or whether the Chinese hacked a covert system used by the CIA to communicate with foreign sources.

sorry to say this but IF it did happen it's down to the CIA , for christ sake 10 American officials willing to talk to the papers, what kind of spy network are the americans running. who needs to hack anything when American officials will just tell anyone anything anyway...and then finishes off with they don't know if it's a mole or hacking. what exactly DO they know . personally sounds like a script from a B-movie was found in a trash bin and given as gospel .. or I could say it must be real as I read it on UM

ok just worked it out ,those 10 current and former American officials who spoke on condition of anonymity... THEY are the worst intelligence breach in decades.

[tamada]

. . .

Infowars? Seriously?

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I've never spent one second on anything reported by Infowars.

Good to know Lone Star, especially when one of the websites they link to throws this crap at you before you can enter...

Oh look! Untelligence!

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If this all ever gets unpacked and unraveled, it'll be nuclear.

Or if they ever get finished making it all up?

[Lone Star]

Three new revelations in the "deep state" efforts to undermine the Trump Administration.

1. Grand Jury of American Citizens has been impaneled in Washington, DC to investigate #2 FBI McCabe and his role in leaking to the eneMedia. Being the #2 at FBI and in verified contact with Comey, Ohr, Strzok, Page and others regarding Steele's paid-for-by-Hillary-and-the-DNC phony dossier on Trump, the tentacles of this grand jury can reach far and wide -- including the FISA warrant applications.

2. The Inspector General is now investigating #2 DOJ Rosenstein's role in FISA applications.

3. The "deep state" has been verified to exist. Trump was correct again. How? The anonymous Op-Ed published by the NY Times that claims efforts to undermine the Trump Administration. However, the Op-Ed did say that Trump was making the US economy better and the country safer ... so it makes me wonder.

Do your research. More to come. It's slow, but truth always wins.

[Udon Map]

1. Grand Jury of American Citizens has been impaneled in Washington, DC to investigate #2 FBI McCabe and his role in leaking to the eneMedia. Being the #2 at FBI and in verified contact with Comey, Ohr, Strzok, Page and others regarding Steele's paid-for-by-Hillary-and-the-DNC phony dossier on Trump, the tentacles of this grand jury can reach far and wide -- including the FISA warrant applications.

So such investigations are OK except when Trump is the one being investigated? If Trump did nothing wrong, then presumably that's what the investigation will show. IMO both investigations should continue until complete. I also believe that HRC should have been indicted/prosecuted for storing classified material on the private email server in her basement, a huge and serious breach of security by a Cabinet member IMO. But that's not really relevant here, I know.

2. The Inspector General is now investigating #2 DOJ Rosenstein's role in FISA applications.

I'm not saying that your info is incorrect; but the only mention of it that I can find on the entire internet comes from two right wing propaganda websites, Reasonable Insanity and Blazing Press. That makes me wonder.

3. The "deep state" has been verified to exist. Trump was correct again. How? The anonymous Op-Ed published by the NY Times that claims efforts to undermine the Trump Administration. However, the Op-Ed did say that Trump was making the US economy better and the country safer ... so it makes me wonder.

Wonder about what? Many people, including myself, believe that Trump is doing near irreparable harm to the Constitutional democracy in many respects. He said just a few days ago, for example, that protesting should be banned; yet that's one of the foundations of the democracy and a freedom which is unequivocally guaranteed by the Constitution.

That said, I'll be the first to admit that he's done a lot of good for the country, as well. It's just that not everything he has done is good. But you don't see it that way, do you, LS?

[vincemunday]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/26/what-yo ... stein.html

[vincemunday]

Paul, your comment about indicting Clinton is the ONLY point relevant on this thread, read the subject.