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Thai Lottery - A Game of Chance?

Post by Brian Davis » July 17, 2009, 7:33 pm

I’m sure the moderators will throw this out, if they feel it a taboo subject.

I’m interested if any readers feel ‘in the know’ concerning the running of the Thai Lottery. Not at the top levels of Government, which has been the subject of investigation, but more that affecting the ordinary Thai. The Lottery is, of course, the twice-monthly event which has many Thai crazily running about e.g asking monks for lucky numbers, rubbing trees, relying on dreams and speaking to oddly shaped bananas and coconuts, actions which in the western world would suggest lots of candidates for mental institutions! Such is the interest, infatuation in apparent ‘chance’ and the hope a big win would improve their situation. I don’t blame them for that. The above is not, I hope, criticism, rather than a puzzled observation.

I guess what I’m asking is whether it IS entirely fair and all down to chance? The actual official draw used to be televised, no longer I believe, but even then there were suspicions of rigging. Was it televised LIVE? I would not have felt it likely that the draw is actually held on the afternoons of the 1st and 16th each month, because printed result sheets of all the winning numbers appear VERY quickly. Also, on the internet. That said, football result papers in England used to(still?) appear less than an hour after games finished.

Perhaps it would be naive in this, unfortunately, corruption-ridden country to believe that the draw is entirely above board’? But, as per other examples, maybe the Thai just accept the fact. It’s difficult not to think that many are not making an unofficial ‘packet’, maybe not from official tickets, but from the underground lottery, which uses numbers from the draw. Quite an opportunity - to know the winning numbers in advance of actual announcement of the draw, both for direct gain and to pass this information on to a network of agents willing to pay for the privilege. Many DO appear to know the winning numbers. My ‘ex’ was able to ‘phone somewhere to obtain what proved a winning number and she made a fair bit of money. Ok, maybe just luck or a one week con, because I’m not sure it worked a second time.

Personally, I haven’t asked a monk or coconut for that matter and my dreams keep giving me the same number. ;) TW has just informed me lady in Laphun? has won many millions. So, if genuine good luck, fantastically well done to her.



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Re: Thai Lottery - A Game of Chance?

Post by BobHelm » July 17, 2009, 7:56 pm

I am not sure whether it is rigged or not Brian, but I actually doubt it.
The top prize is a tidy sum - especially for Thailand, but probably not worth going to the huge effort necessary to "rig" the draw for it. I do not think that it is any secret that the 2 & 3 digit numbers game is run by what would normally be called 'unsavoury characters'. To try & cheat them out of money would be (I think) a very short term career - and that is the game that most Thais play.

As for guaranteed wins - I can still remember Horace Bachelor advertising on Radio Luxenbourg for his "fool proof" method of winning the football pools - which, from memory constituted of enough 'mugs' (sorry clients) getting different random numbers to increase the odds of one of them (ANY one of them) winning. The mathematical odds of the individual clients remained the same, only Horace's odds changed!!!

Also don't forget "Mystic Meg" on the TV in UK when that lottery first started. Does not get much more bizarre than that & makes perfect sense out of wanting to read a frogs' stomach for a lucky number :D :D

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Post by BKKSTAN » July 18, 2009, 9:47 am

I don't see where it make any difference,rigged or not.Those that buy lottery tickets or live a life where they actively engage in gambling regularly,are going to lose their money anyway,no matter how many times they win,unless they get very lucky early on and quit with the winnings because once addicted,case closed!!! :yikes:

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Post by nifty » July 18, 2009, 9:40 pm

on the 1st and 16th the draw is live on the radio from around 3 15 pm, my wife gets me to put it on for her,-. she used to sell for commision and gets 25% of what she sells.

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Post by Brian Davis » July 19, 2009, 7:11 am

I agree with you BKKSTAN – I think it’s a mug’s game. It’s surely a very small percentage who can honestly say they have made money out of regular gambling of any kind. I understand the small ‘flutter’ in the hope of winning really big money, but it’s sad when people can’t let go.
The Thai, even more so the Chinese element, just love to gamble and I’m afraid in poor Issan, that it’s money to bet which often isn’t there in the first instance! Dangerous to start that ball rolling.

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Post by trubrit » July 19, 2009, 7:34 am

BKKSTAN wrote:I don't see where it make any difference,rigged or not.Those that buy lottery tickets or live a life where they actively engage in gambling regularly,are going to lose their money anyway,no matter how many times they win,unless they get very lucky early on and quit with the winnings because once addicted,case closed!!! :yikes:
Of course that must include the 30 million Europeans estimated to play the Euromillions lottery every week.
Its mostly considered to be a bit of harmless fun, but of course as with anything, moderation is the word. It can be nice to have a dream Stan. :lol:
http://www.thailotteryresults.com/

Details on the Thai lottery.

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Post by jimboLV » July 19, 2009, 8:16 am

BKKSTAN wrote:Those that buy lottery tickets or live a life where they actively engage in gambling regularly,are going to lose their money anyway
I don't understand this comment. :? Anytime you spend money on discretionary entertainment or pleasure, the money is gone. Whether it's on a few beers, :drunk: sex, a nice meal, a plane ticket back to wherever you came from, gas for your car to drive around sightseeing, or any one of a myriad of ways people can spend their discretionary income. The problem arises when it becomes addictive and the money you spend is not discretionary, but money you can ill afford to lose. And any of the items I mentioned above can be addictive, some more so than others.

Gambling is no more addictive than most other forms of human pleasure seeking. I lived in Las Vegas USA for over ten years, where gambling opportunities are rampant. There are slot machines everywhere; in the airport, drug stores, super markets, gas stations, you name it. I knew a few people who were addicted to gambling. But I also knew many, many more who were addicted to alcohol, sex, flashy cars, etc.

As far as the Thai lottery being rigged, I don't have any idea but I suspect not. It doesn't have to be. As long as the laws of probability hold, the house is guaranteed to make money. Always. That's why the casinos in Vegas pay back winnings 95 to 98% of the money gambled, and get rich doing it.

Sorry to rant, but I have to stick up for the gambling business. I made a lot of money in it. But that's because I worked for a casino and got paid a salary....and gambled very little of it. :D

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Post by Brian Davis » July 19, 2009, 9:50 am

Fair points, jimboLV. A key word is addiction in all of this and even the richest stand a chance of losing their money if they don't know when to stop. I won't get into excesses of too much sex! :lol:

What I was trying to get at concerning the Thai lottery is rather different to the running of a Las Vegas casino, slot machines etc. - very, very much controlled and the house 'rake off' of a percentage. This is Thailand and the mind boggles at the money which could be made and the size of the network operating with advance knowledge of winning numbers. Not just the guys officially in charge of the operation. And, is it really 'chance' and fair to the punters, that possibly tickets/numbers are being sold, particularly in the unofficial lottery, which operators already know are losers? But that is perhaps the risk you take with anything unofficial. I've heard of winnings not being paid and then, of course, you can hardly ask the police to help! Unless, what more corruption?

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Post by rick » July 20, 2009, 9:01 am

My TGF bought a ticket a few weeks ago (probably the dubious one) and won a thousand baht. Unfortunately, the ticket seller was low on cash and said he would come back with the money..... she is still waiting....

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Post by stereolab » July 3, 2014, 4:57 pm

In the villages nearby, it appears possible to buy a "lottery number" up to 6 times a day. Most of the folk I see buying these numbers are very much on the breadline, living a day to day existence, someone somewhere is getting very rich.

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Post by novo58 » July 16, 2014, 9:27 am

I am new to Udon and this site. Surprised that no one has advised that lottery is TELEVISED ...live (????) on ch 14 at approx 3.20pm every 1st and 16th of month.

My concern with lottery is the accountability of ticket sales. I have seen around UDON tickets sold everywhere from outside local 7/11, in local markets to a guy on a bicycle selling them . Cost of tickets vary depending where you buy them ,,,,but interestingly the cost has recently DECREASED ( by order of juanta). However in central Udon tickets cost 80B and in suburbs can be 90B-100B.

I have my little flutter( based on GF dreams) and have been lucky enough to win 2000B & 4000B in last 2 draws....but know it wont happen every time.

The GF takes winning tickets into central Udon to collect winnings ------BUT they keep 10% of wins as a "service fee".

My concern is how UNSOLD tickets are accounted for....what if major winning number was NOT sold at all.

I remember long before lotto/keno and computerised ticket sales in Australia..............................the lottery sales were from books of numerically sequential ticket numbers and draws were ONLY held when ALL tickets were sold in a lottery .......and ONLY then was sales in the next lottery commenced.

I even once drew the winning numbers in The NSW state lottery .......................selecting ONE little round ball from a huge barrel containing 100,000 such balls ( draw held at lottery office in Burwood ( sydney))Had to use a long scoop device designed to ONLY hold one ball. After dragging it out ONLY lottery staff were permitted to handle the ball while the number was read and checked.

Also did it a second time AFTER computerisation .............................."just push this button on the computer keyboard please sir".

So ....is Thai state lottery fair ...........................like any type of gambling ---that is up to the player to decide.

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Post by Brian Davis » July 16, 2014, 1:23 pm

I really haven't taken that much interest to know exactly what was going on, but I'm aware there have been quite a few queries raised about actual draws e.g. a certain ball getting 'stuck' or being favoured, certain popular numbers being 'blocked'. Enough for many to believe, televised or not(there were occasions when the draw was taken off tv), that it was 'dodgy'. With corruption involved in almost everything here, it's difficult to believe that if there was a way it could be rigged, it probably has! :roll:

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Post by parrot » July 16, 2014, 2:51 pm

We watched lottery draws on TV back in 1996......amazed at the military precision of the draw....the long line of pretties displaying their balls for all to see...along with a roomful of bureaucrats available to witness the proceedings. Despite that, I doubt a year has gone by without a major revision in the drawing system....all due to yet another person caught with their finger in the pie. If guys like Johnny Ace Palmer can pull off some closeup hand tricks with nothing at stake but his reputation, imagine what someone could do with a few million baht at stake.
My wife was shopping at BanHui market around 1PM today.....she said the topic of discussion throughout the market was the 3PM number draw. The last two are going to be either 52, 58, or 59.

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Post by merchant seaman » July 16, 2014, 3:40 pm

Try 45
No man has a good enough memory to be a succesful liar.

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Post by karonsteve » July 16, 2014, 6:51 pm

parrot wrote:....the long line of pretties displaying their balls for all to see...

Aaah the good old days eh?

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Post by jackspratt » July 16, 2014, 7:04 pm

karonsteve wrote:
parrot wrote:....the long line of pretties displaying their balls for all to see...

Aaah the good old days eh?
Yep - could only happen in Thailand.

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Post by Brian Davis » July 16, 2014, 7:24 pm

These, still intact kathoeys, get just everywhere. ;)

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Post by stereolab » July 17, 2014, 7:53 am

rick wrote:My TGF bought a ticket a few weeks ago (probably the dubious one) and won a thousand baht. Unfortunately, the ticket seller was low on cash and said he would come back with the money..... she is still waiting....
My wife still insists in buying from a Local Operator, who is currently keeping a low profile from the Army, I understand, still it did not deter my wife from spending over 700 baht, on a number given by her Monk brother.I happened to be there when the LO turned up, wife not to happy to see the LO appear.

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