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Post by bignote1 » September 14, 2015, 10:41 pm

Yes, unfortunately they have re-embraced the old model . Although I can never see him being voted in as PM an alliance between dyed in the wool left wing Socialists and the trade Unions could cause major internal problems for Blighty..........even in opposition.



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Post by BobHelm » September 15, 2015, 7:41 am

Not unsure that it might actually not be a good thing for Britain in the long run.

Yes, I think that he is pretty unelectable as Prime Minister & that will condemn Labour to be the party of opposition while he remains leader.

However, certainly since Blair became PM, there has been virtually no choice in British Politics.
Both Conservatives & Labour have fought for the 'middle ground' of, basically, 'not rocking the boat'.
While Labour ploughed in from the left the Conservatives have also ploughed in from the right.

The old left wing Tony Benns have died off, but so have the right wing Norman Tebbits. :D

Maybe British politics needs a shake up from the public school, university, laissez faire attitude of 'professional politicians'.
That (apart from the fact that the Conservatives left a hole there) is undoubtedly some of the appeal of Mr. Nigel Farage.
He stands about as much chance as being PM as I think Jeremy Corbyn does, but both could equally shake up British politics out of its' current stupor.. & that is probably no bad thing at all.. :D

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Post by caducus » September 15, 2015, 7:08 pm

First I have to say that I believe that Jeremy Corbyn will be an excellent Leader of the Opposition. He has already shown his credentials in this respect by being one of a minority of Labour MPs to vote against the Government plans for cutting back on certain welfare provisions.

The duty of the opposition is to oppose. During the days of the WW2 Coalition Anuerin Bevan earned the support of all democrats by his principled opposition to most Government proposals.

Back to the present, Jeremy Corbyn could also be an effective new-wave leader of the Labour Party. Those who joined the party mainly because it was easier for them to progress than if they had joined the Conservatives will probably move over to the other side, but Jeremy will be able to count on the support of a number of Liberals who were disgusted with Nick Clegg's behaviour in the last coalition.

There is no guarantee that David Cameron will not make a complete mess of the Eurpoean negotiations and referendum and this could split his own party.

It is rather parochial to view Jeremy Corbyn,s success as somehing peculiarly anachronistic and British. It should be considered in conjunction with the success of popularist left wing parties in Spain and Greece, and the amazing impact being made by Bernie Sanders in the USA.

Good Luck Jeremy. Good Luck Great Britain.

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Post by Zidane » September 20, 2015, 9:14 am

This one made me laugh....I hope caducus sees the funny side ! 8)
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Post by GT93 » September 20, 2015, 9:28 am

I'd say Thatcher was the most influential foreigner on NZ in the last 50 years. So I personally sit up and take notice at Corbyn's arrival.

Like an accident 007? That'd make him a JFK. Please don't Mrs. Windsor.
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Post by rick » September 20, 2015, 11:34 am

The thing about politicians is that they should say what they believe in and if they deviate from that they need a bloody good excuse. Saying that the changed policy makes them more electable is not good enough - it means basically they are only interested in power and anything can be sacrificed to achieve that. And that is why politicians are so reviled.

So, although not a Labour supporter, I think Corbyn is good for the party. Labour needs fundamental principles which were lost under Blair. I actually think multi-party systems are best - as long as all significant parties have some say - because it represents the people far better. I actually think many people will look back at the Conservative/Liberal coallition as a golden age of compromise. Certainly the next 5 years will see if there is any truth in that .....

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Post by MrFixer » September 20, 2015, 3:42 pm

People say they want honest politicians and Corbyn does seem to say what he believes. I suspect a lot of younger voters might find him appealing.
Certainly the UK right-wing press have gone into warp-drive with their daily attacks on him - so something has rattled them.
Most amazing was to see Rupert Murdoch's UK papers attacking Corbyn for not singing God Save the Queen (Murdoch being a strong Monarchist, of course ;-) )

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Post by bignote1 » September 21, 2015, 9:46 pm

Certainly this allegation is serious and should be treated as such and pertinent questions asked.
Was the pig female and if so was she past the age of consent?
Can this act be regarded as criminal if the evidence was consumed after the event?
Will Cameron have learnt any lessons from Bill Clinton....."I did not have sex with that pig"!!!!!

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Post by bignote1 » October 9, 2015, 2:58 am

I disagree with a lot of this mans politics but if there is one politician I would like to spend a couple of hours in the pub with it's Nigel Farage. He calls it exactly as he sees it. Total respect!

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